well i was wondering about the runway lengths, because i was looking throught the aircraft and noticed the 747-400Er... it was at 10+k ft but in real life its not that high... it regularly fly into St Maarten which is only 7100 ft...

I would assume those runway lengths are for MGTOW. Pretty sure the big birds going out of SXM have to go to another isle to gas up.

with long international flights, can you do round trip? i mean jfk to london is wat 12 hours each way? i would only be able go one way correct? if so will it be made so that you can do round trips?

but anyways. right now how real is it that the plane flys from airport A to B and then the next day it magically appears back at A and flys to B again?

so im just currious about if there was any talk about this being fixed to simulate these flights better?

You can do JFK-LHR RT no prob, but something like LAX-LHR would have to be 1 way. Don't think of it as from LAX to LHR, think of it as between LAX and LHR. One day it goes one direction, the next day it goes the other.

And no, runway distance is not currently a factor. You can fly all the long haul A340 flights out of LGA that you want

Looks like it is paused, so no hurry.

I think Miller is still in the eastern time zone (US). When the game is turned on it is often paused for a while, so even if you aren't in first, you'll still start off just as well as everyone else.

It's not a set schedule and depends on what's going on, but usually before year 10

It is a sticky on the general info forum

Is disabling the "change aircraft" function an easy fix? It seams like people having trouble with the high cost of operating older models made that bug pretty heavily exploited.

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"hey I think it is broke. I waited an hour and the date has changed. please fix this miller"

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It is paused. It will start tomorrow (see first message).

Might as well reset in 1970 when the Metro comes out.

yeah... its a bug.

When you return a gate I believe you still end up paying rent on it. Waiting to let the gate be taken back by the airport doesn't seem to have the same effect.

One of the things that always bugged me was the disparity in seating between aircraft. I understand That 747-400s usually seat fewer people than 747-400Ds, but they are both the same size, and since we can't charge a premium for the extra room those 747-400 pax are getting, doesn't it make sense to standardize the seat counts on an all coach 32" configuration? What do people think? Should an A300 hold less than an A310? does that makes sense? If y'all are with me I'd be happy to help research these standardized loadouts.

And you can make money with jets without , swapping planes? I know I could not.

The only real money I've been able to find seems to be in brokering to the big guys. You can still make money with an F27, but as Glennos said, using Jets w/o swapping is hard even with a strong hub.

The problem seems to be, my aircraft can't do the route return in enough time yet the same aircraft for another airline can. (I have the fastest engines) maybe I'm missing out on something else? :puzzled:

example?

Are you sure the other airline isn't doing a 1-way?

edit: also, have you tried making the route from the a/c screen instead of the routes screen?

You haven't seen a lot of airlines ordering the 747-400 in the last 10 years. The 777-300 and A340-600 have eaten away at the bottom end of the segment while the specter of the A380 has eaten away at the top end. All of these aircraft are more modern and more efficient, and I think the game reflects that.

Now I do agree that the game is not perfectly balanced in some respects. Some aircraft have unreasonable seating (A330-300), which leads to undue popularity. The ability of aircraft to fly to their max range wit ha full payload also unbalances some, too.

FWIW the 738 and 739 both would have 4 F/As in the seating capacities used in the game.

yeah, I didn't get charged.

Lets try that again in English. (there are also a few threads here and in the bugs section.)

How do you continue making sure they make around the same profits everyday.. i only have 3 planes... and it changes all the time!

You can't. As airlines grow competition will increase. your profits will go down.

I don't think it is as much a problem of operating costs as it is of revenue. The A330-300 seating capacity is clearly all economy (as are our ticket prices), but most of the other long haul a/c seem to have their seating capacity derived from multi class layouts. This cripples all other a/c when compared to the mighty 333. I would be more than happy to research this and come up with a list of single class seating capacities. (I suggested this to Miller a few years ago and I think he was interested, but it was right before he took a break from the game)

to add Long-Haul a/cs seem not to be long-haul at all! B744 and B744ER; A343, A345, A346; B773, B772LR are supposed to be the backbone of the long-haul to ultra-long haul flts. but they have the same hour alotment as the commuter planes thus limiting their full capabilities. eg A340s, B744s and B777s are used between hong kong - london, london-johannesburg, bangkok, singapore-new york and KL-AMS non-stop. i suggest long-haul hours should be increased based on its max range

I don't think it would add any realism to the game to be able to fly a single plane more than 24 hours a day. If the goal is to be able to avoid 1-way bugs and operate these routes r/t, than how about offering longhual a/c in pairs? it would be sold like any other plane, except it would be called say, a "777-300ER pair", cost twice as much and have 44 hours instead?

In the real world A330's are more efficient than 767's. Why do some carriers like Delta still prefer huge fleets of 767s? Well a nice gentleman's agreement with Boeing for one giving very favorable purchase prices and fleet comonality for another for maintenance and training costs. Appearantly these things make it worthwhile to continue operating these aircraft... be interesting to see what happens when they start integrating the NW planes as NW is one of the largest operators of the A330 in the world...

It is also important to remember history here; Delta was flying the 767 10 years before the first A330s were in revenue service. I think the Boeing agreement probably had more to do with DL ordering 738s over A320s and 777s over A340s than it did with the 767 fleet.

While we're at it though, perhaps more types need to be introduced to the game, in order to take the pressure of Airbus and Boeing as the only providers of larger aircraft? i.e. (relatively) recently out-of-production models such as the MD11, 767-200, MD90 or even the IL-96, Tu-205 and Tu-154, all at attractively cheap purchase prices, but with less attractive economics. Perhaps they could be bought 'used' from the manufacturers (as if they had been traded back to them by airlines, or returned from leases en masse), rather than needing to use the 2nd hand market?

We already have the Saab 2000, Dornier 328 and 757 series anyway. This cheap purchase/lower economics model could perhaps be retroactively applied to the A300, 763 and A310 as well, as nobody is really flying them? As far as I'm aware the models already exist in sim1 for types such as the 747-2/300/SP, DC10-30, Fokker 50/70/100, MD82/83, BAe ATP, BAe Jetstream 41, BAe full AVRO range, Saab 340, Shorts 360, L1011-200/500 and Fairchild Metro? So maybe this is a concept that wouldn't be amazingly hard to implement? At any rate, its not like there already isn't some disparity between old and new types in sim1, with the Dash 8-100 being offered alongside the ATR42-500 and the A310-200 vs. the 787-8. Sure a lot of these aircraft wouldn't be terribly competitive against newer types, but if they were cheap to purchase, I think you'd see quite a few of them purchased. Furthermore, I've seen plenty of Q100's in-game and even the (very) occasional A310, so it'd be workable, I think.

I haven't played Sim 2 since the [somewhat disaterous] introduction of the [then] new used a/c market, but one of the ideas we'd talked about was having the used a/c market start with a/c in it. My understanding is that the used a/c market is now run by some kind of bank or something? Would it be possible to start each game with a certain number of older used a/c on the market?

Well it would make sense if aircraft appears only after someone sells them. It's only "used" after it passes through an airline's hands, right? What would the benefit of starting with existing used aircraft?

The idea was that while those aircraft no longer in production could no longer be purchased from the manufacturer, there would still be a certain number of frames floating around in the used market. In this case used implied they were used before the AE round began.

I don't see any reason to limit the number of launch customers. What if anyone who orders in the first year/month/whatever it is on offer got the discount?

Now practically, I don't think it would improve gameplay. In the real world the launch customer discount is important for attracting airlines to unknown products. Since we know when an airplane will be available (think A380), how it will perform (think MD-11), and from this data guess what the used market will be like (think Mercure) we don't really need the discount to attract airlines to new airframes.

I know its been discussed, but I couldn't find it. How are a/c delivered in Sim2? Is it two per player for everyone, or just for the 20+10%?

hmmm. Looks like Bombardier delivered over 40 frames last month, which was well over 20+10%.