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yuxi already has seen the info on the certification and was the one who origionally changed it to the 350-375, so i dont know why it was changed from that... I was on the chat with him when he did them both.I'm well aware of the fact that max seating is 1-class, but I think it was adjusted in the game to 290 based upon the only Boeing release information (I don't know who did it or their actual reasons though).
The reason I asked for a source from you was because all information I find on the internet in my own brief searches points to <300 seats (based upon 2-3 classes), and I struggle to find a true "maximum" value. I agree with you, these values for seating seem low; however, to prevent confusion and further reports similar to this one, I'd like some sourced data before I make any further changes.
I'll also get on to the game developers to see who / why it was changed from the values you list.
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#74591 787-8 Seating off
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on 04 November 2010 - 08:01 PM
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#74586 787-8 Seating off
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on 04 November 2010 - 03:15 PM
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350 and 375 was the correct setting and was what was in the database up until last week until someone changed it. Yuxi fixed it from the previous 225/290 settings for the -8/9 which were just boeing's own standard 3 class config.
But the 787 is using the 767 max seating certificates, which is 350 and 375 respectively for the 767-300/400ER. It is doing this so they can save time in the certificaiton of the 787. The only way to do this however is if the numbers for seating capacity and number of emergency exits along with floor plans are the same which they are. the 787 is a tad bigger than the 767 but will feature the same size doors and number of exits.
Remember, max seating is not 3 class, its 1 class in a high desity configuration. even the -3 was stated to seat over 330pax in its standard configuration, which the -3 is a -8 frame.
so they need to be set back to the correct previous setting of 350/375 respectively.
But the 787 is using the 767 max seating certificates, which is 350 and 375 respectively for the 767-300/400ER. It is doing this so they can save time in the certificaiton of the 787. The only way to do this however is if the numbers for seating capacity and number of emergency exits along with floor plans are the same which they are. the 787 is a tad bigger than the 767 but will feature the same size doors and number of exits.
Remember, max seating is not 3 class, its 1 class in a high desity configuration. even the -3 was stated to seat over 330pax in its standard configuration, which the -3 is a -8 frame.
so they need to be set back to the correct previous setting of 350/375 respectively.
#74568 787-8 Seating off
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on 03 November 2010 - 02:04 AM
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its not right, max seating for the 787 should be 350 for the -8 and 375 for the -9 just as in RW... all sims should be this way, AE8 is already.
#73311 New Realistic Feature: Liberalized EU
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on 20 September 2010 - 03:30 PM
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Announcements
really need opensky's as all the US legacies have hubs in other countries with domestic services from those hubs.
#72525 Fuel Costs Way too high
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on 25 August 2010 - 09:17 PM
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(AE4) 1990-2015
read aboveHave you taken frequency into account when comparing fuel costs?
#72403 Fuel Costs Way too high
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on 23 August 2010 - 02:20 AM
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(AE4) 1990-2015
firstShorter route = more acceleration and deceleration and engines work harder because of lower altitude flying
there is no more accel or decel in a shorter route than a longer.
Second, what makes longer routes "more fuel efficient" is the fact that they spend more time at cruise not because of the altitude they fly at. while yes altitude makes a difference, that isn’t the main cause. Regional flights are Climb-cruise-decent. Longer flights are climb-cruissseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-decent. no matter what altitude they end up at if two identical aircraft take off with the same weight and use the same power settings they will burn the same amount of fuel on climb out until the first airplane levels off.
to prove this point… If 747 A takes off at MTOW and climbs to say 35K feet and 747 B (both are same models, same engines, etc) also takes off at MTOW and climbs directly to say 40k feet... Aircraft B is burning more fuel than aircraft A even though its higher up because the engines have to produce more thrust to keep that weight up higher. Both aircraft burned the same amount of fuel up until 35k feet when 747 a leveled off.
now its true, at lower alts a jet engine is less efficient than out higher alt, but its not just that simple. Weight is a major factor in how efficient the engine is. See above.
Now putting this into AE perspectives... If a320 A flyies 1000 miles and burns $20K in fuel but a320 B that flies only 500miles but burns $40k in fuel, something is seriously wrong. I have had this happen on an even more extreme case in my airline. I had a ATR72-500 fly a similar distance route as my atr42-200 yet, my atr42's fuel bill was nearly 4 times as much yet the 42 burns 7 times less fuel. Something isn’t right there no matter what you say.
#72401 Boeing's commonality
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on 23 August 2010 - 01:59 AM
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Yes and no.I'm wondering, is the 777's cockpit the same as the 767/757 and 744? The only difference I know so far is the fly by wire. So are they similar like Airbus? Hopefully someone can shed some light on this
And, If I fly a lot of aircraft with commonality, will I save $?
The 777 cockpit is completely different from the 737, 747, 757 and 767. However the cockpit itself is actually the same exact cockpit from the 767. Boeing took section 41 of the 767 fuselage and used it as section 41 of the 777 fuselage. They are configured differently though
comman type ratings:
707/727/737-200-500
757/767
777/787
747-8 will be pretty comman with 787
in 21 days, a 737 pilot can go to being a 747 pilot.
here is a good chart for this http://i227.photobuc...Boeing-STAR.jpg
Airbus however, because of the flight systems and cockpits being almost the exact same fromt the A318-A380 has a greater advantage in cockpit commonality.
fly by wire doesnt have any affect on commonality though. Its just changes the pilots input into a electrical input and sends it to the control surface instead of having to use actual physical power to do it.
hope that helps a little.
#72216 757 Delivery Schedule
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on 19 August 2010 - 03:48 AM
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(AE4) 1990-2015
how about the 777 taking longer than a 747It's the same problem with the 333 and the 772. the 772 takes 4 more weeks to deliver! It's only a little bigger than the 333
#72037 757 Delivery Schedule
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on 14 August 2010 - 10:47 PM
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it takes about 7 months from the first fabrication is done to delivery. However, Boeing has pretty much outsources all of this. Airbus is just the same though.Yes but how long do the pieces take to make tey dont just appear out of thin air
#72035 757 Delivery Schedule
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on 14 August 2010 - 09:43 PM
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actually the waiting time from order to delivery of a new 737 is ~3 years. also remember though, thats because they are offered for sale years before they go into production, so any aircraft will always have a backlog and a waiting time. Airbus is about the same though, probably a little longer, though they will increase production to 40 a month next year. We arent talking about time it takes to wait for a plane, we are talking about the time between planes delivery.Jus because there is a 738 coming off thenproduction line every day dosent mean it has a short build time for all we know that aircraft could have been ordered over 7 months ago. If an airline ordered an aircraft today they won't get it for months so in AE 2 weeks is very modest
it wasnt until 05 that the second line came online to releave the origional and increase rates further. Boeing has gotten final assembly down to almost 6 days. So in about a weeks time, the fuselage arrives, the plane gets built, fitted out with interiors/systems, gets painted, flight tested and is ready to be delivered. acheiving those numbers from one line that wasnt even a moving line yet, you better believe it that those planes were flying off those lines.
it doesnt matter. 30k kg doesnt affect the production rate, nore does having a 600ft^2 bigger wing. all of the peices arrive premade. All boeing does is final assembly. Thats been the case for almost three decades now. Look at the 787. When its in full production, assembly time will only be 11-14 days which is nearly the same as the current 737 yet it is 2-3 times the size of the 737.The 757 may have the same length in wingspan but the wing area of the 757 is about 600 square feet bigger the tail of the 757 is also 2 and a half meters bigger and the 757 the 757 is also 30,000KG heavier than the 321
until a production slot system is made for ordering aircraft, production rates in game will always be off some.
#72033 Rules
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on 14 August 2010 - 08:51 PM
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(AE4) 1990-2015
not like how both airlines above do in real world...Your still allowed to fly there
Delta has an inter Asia network out of NRT. Continental micronesia has an inter Pacific islands network from their hub (not sure where it is). I believe Amsterdam is also an intra-Europe hub for delta as well (maybe a different carrier) or at least was for whichever carrier im thinking about.
#71971 FSX users!
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on 14 August 2010 - 02:23 AM
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Flight Simulation
no point... my VA will kill urs if it was possibleMan this is old
ive closed this VA already and startinga new one
have over 10K routes and 72billion in assests... North Eastern Airways - Ionathan Airlines the biggest on FSA...
#71970 Ad Loading Times
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on 14 August 2010 - 01:58 AM
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General AE Discussion
ya miller always made sure no "adult" adds were shown... they were always Aviation related
#71968 Rules
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on 14 August 2010 - 01:08 AM
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(AE4) 1990-2015
guess you better tell delta they arent allowed to fly Asia routes anymore... They have been doing that since the 90's at least (NWA at the time). Same with Continental Micronesia... 
#71966 757 Delivery Schedule
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on 14 August 2010 - 12:47 AM
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conor, the 757 is not quite a bit larger, its just a few feet, about 10ft in both length and wingspan.
in reality i crunched a few numbers... the 757 would be in line in game at 2week as real world. The 737/a320's should be at 1 week though. the 737 has hit production rates in which one was coming off the line almost every day of the year.
in reality i crunched a few numbers... the 757 would be in line in game at 2week as real world. The 737/a320's should be at 1 week though. the 737 has hit production rates in which one was coming off the line almost every day of the year.
#71888 Aircraft Ordering Within a Family
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on 12 August 2010 - 08:14 PM
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(AE4) 1990-2015
what we need to do is be able to arrange certain types within the ording system as we cant order more than one type at a time.
i brought this up with the origional beta last year, but nothing has come of it...
Lipman, it doesnt saturate the game any more than having more than one airline does...
i brought this up with the origional beta last year, but nothing has come of it...
Lipman, it doesnt saturate the game any more than having more than one airline does...
#71471 Update on Launch
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on 03 August 2010 - 06:40 AM
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Announcements
i thought multiple airlines were not going to be allowed? heck i could create 50 airlines and rule on world...
also whats going to happen to the old sim 1?
also whats going to happen to the old sim 1?
#70128 Fokker Production will be back.
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on 07 July 2010 - 09:28 PM
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Real World Aviation
production hasnt started... They only have enough money to make one aircraft for demonstration. After that one aircraft if no airline orders it, then the line will stay closed.
#70127 Flight Simulator X (FSX)
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on 07 July 2010 - 09:26 PM
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Flight Simulation
yup, i use it. I run a 11 pilot VA too for FS... we have over 600 mainline aircraft and we are the largest VA by value on the site we operate on
#68015 Very small runways
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on 24 April 2010 - 01:38 AM
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Game Discussion (SIM3 / AE Classic)
that bothers me to I wanted one of my 767 to take off from washington reagen (DCA) and it would no let me so is it possible to build a bigger runway there please
nope its not... river on one side, road on other...
IAD is there for a reason. also 767's can only operate out of DCA on short routes.
#67240 [Fixed] Route page promble
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on 04 March 2010 - 08:59 PM
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Closed Bugs
this is happening to me also. at my home, and at school which are both completely different computers and networks. its been like this for almost a week now.
#67094 [-] massive finances page errors
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on 18 February 2010 - 02:49 AM
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Closed Bugs
well i have a DOP of just over 15mil, but yet im bringing in over 900mil per month? same with all of my other finances. they all are not correct
#67092 [Fixed] Date problem
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on 17 February 2010 - 04:43 AM
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Closed Bugs
it seems the month change has been at different times every day since i started back up again
#67075 Aircraft Hours
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on 14 February 2010 - 09:11 PM
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Suggestions and Feature Requests
sure they can. age has nothing to do with how long its in the air. If the plan is maintained like its suppose to it will last forever until it hits it life useage in hours at which after that point it needs to be retired.
Its all about the airline model like Brit said.
Its all about the airline model like Brit said.
#67072 [-] B787-7 wrong specs
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on 14 February 2010 - 05:22 PM
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Closed Bugs
no its not. if you look, all ranges are in standard miles, not nautical. and the standard mile range for the 787 is the 9445 that AE has.
however after looking into some other aircraft, it seems that some others are set to nautical miles.
however after looking into some other aircraft, it seems that some others are set to nautical miles.
