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[Stevphfeniey]

The problem with the templates you're advocating for is that they're not layered like Med's are. In that the base fuselage isn't separate from all the nice artistic effects. On Med's those are separate, so you're able to put a full color livery in between them.

 

For example on your Mountaineer deal you just did, the billboard titling up front either has to have its opacity turned up, or you have to use a Photoshop effect like Multiply to get the windows and other details behind it to show up. Which in turn in this case has lead to them looking faded with the color being off in addition to a few additional steps.

 

Whereas on Med's the only color skewing comes from the artistic effects from the layer above where the titling is (which honestly in my experience ends up not being that bad), and you don't have to play with the opacity or other PS effects. In short the result is a fuller color, with the added benefit of being simpler. This checks out on prints as well because I'll be the first to admit in my hubris I've printed out some of my own gallery work onto paper.

 

You're free to s*** talk Med's templates all you want, you're a grown ass man so you're free to do you. Just understand that there's a reason why 99% of people here use those templates. Yeah there's clouds and things being reflected off the aircraft, but having talked to Med the idea behind it is that's what an aircraft looks like when it's flying and I think it looks nice.

 

If you don't like it why don't you take your critiques to Med yourself, I'm sure he'll take them into consideration. Or take the time to make your own templates with the effects you desire.

[Zacca]

you also can use med's templates without effects layers. then you'll have a s***ty template that's better than any other s***ty template

[X-Wing @Aliciousness]

To the OP -


I liked your "Mountaineer" brand... its not plain white but its not full blown crazy like i prefer... so I tried to spend a few hours making a version i think describes what crisp and clean looks like.

To the peanut gallery... sure the image on the tail is highly unrealistic.... but if you can move beyond that and look at the shading ect... its a fun concept... no it wont be competing with delta for brand recognition... its just fun... and thats what we are here for... fun...

Actually images on the tail are fine, especially the way he’s done it since it’s clearly based on Frontier’s livery.

[FearofFlying]

The problem with the templates you're advocating for is that they're not layered like Med's are. In that the base fuselage isn't separate from all the nice artistic effects. On Med's those are separate, so you're able to put a full color livery in between them.

 

For example on your Mountaineer deal you just did, the billboard titling up front either has to have its opacity turned up, or you have to use a Photoshop effect like Multiply to get the windows and other details behind it to show up. Which in turn in this case has lead to them looking faded with the color being off in addition to a few additional steps.

 

You are just flat wrong... coloring to alpha is very simple trick...  now i know for sure you are full of **** ... there is no way you work with photoshop for a living.

 

I have the base fuselage on its own in a layer with 1 click of the mouse, and i can layer anything "under" without using any multiply or burn effect. This is the kind of thing that separates my work from yours, and why I don't need to use a template with layering done for me. 

 

You like meds template because it makes it easy ... cool i get it... easy is good for some people...  it still looks terrible...

 

 

The reason everyone uses it is because when someone doesn't, they are badgered and told how terrible their work is. There is no respect here for anyone who doesnt dance to the beat of the med template drum. Im old enough not to need approval or worry about why you dont like me... and im wise enough to know that this mountineer plane i just made puts the vast majority of everything ever done with a med template to shame.

 

Indeed it would be good to hear from med... considering how much you elevate him to Photoshop god...  I would love to hear how he drew these by hand.... his inspirational template story.... maybe he can teach me a thing or two about building wire frame models in maya....  or perhaps he would tell you all what he did was use the exact same template as i did and wrap a single image onto so you noobs didnt have shading issues...

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[X-Wing @Aliciousness]

You are just flat wrong... coloring to alpha is very simple trick...  now i know for sure you are full of **** ... there is no way you work with photoshop for a living.

 

I have the base fuselage on its own in a layer with 1 click of the mouse, and i can layer anything "under" without using any multiply or burn effect. This is the kind of thing that separates my work from yours, and why I don't need to use a template with layering done for me. 

 

You like meds template because it makes it easy ... cool i get it... easy is good for some people...  it still looks terrible...

 

 

The reason everyone uses it is because when someone doesn't, they are badgered and told how terrible their work is. There is no respect here for anyone who doesnt dance to the beat of the med template drum. Im old enough not to need approval or worry about why you dont like me... and im wise enough to know that this mountineer plane i just made puts the vast majority of everything ever done with a med template to shame.

 

Indeed it would be good to hear from med... considering how much you elevate him to Photoshop god...  I would love to hear how he drew these by hand.... his inspirational template story.... maybe he can teach me a thing or two about building wire frame models in maya....  or perhaps he would tell you all what he did was use the exact same template as i did and wrap a single image onto so you noobs didnt have shading issues...

 

 

I'm sorry, but if you can't see the difference between the templates you post and med's, then there's no more discussion to be had. Being purposefully obtuse is only fueling the criticism you get. Same story with your liveries, and the earlier spat with your logos.

 

I don't know why you're being so narcissistic, but refusing to take any criticism whatsoever and redirecting it to Med/Me/Steve/others is only making you look like a child in the eyes of the rest of us.

 

Take a break, read your posts from the perspectives of their intended audience and maybe you can reflect on why people aren't treating you the way you hope they would.

[FearofFlying]

I'm sorry, but if you can't see the difference between the templates you post and med's, then there's no more discussion to be had. Being purposefully obtuse is only fueling the criticism you get. Same story with your liveries, and the earlier spat with your logos.

 

I don't know why you're being so narcissistic, but refusing to take any criticism whatsoever and redirecting it to Med/Me/Steve/others is only making you look like a child in the eyes of the rest of us.

 

Take a break, read your posts from the perspectives of their intended audience and maybe you can reflect on why people aren't treating you the way you hope they would.

 

 

Amateurs

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[ЗЫРХ]

I'm sorry, but if you can't see the difference between the templates you post and med's, then there's no more discussion to be had. Being purposefully obtuse is only fueling the criticism you get. Same story with your liveries, and the earlier spat with your logos.

 

I don't know why you're being so narcissistic, but refusing to take any criticism whatsoever and redirecting it to Med/Me/Steve/others is only making you look like a child in the eyes of the rest of us.

 

Take a break, read your posts from the perspectives of their intended audience and maybe you can reflect on why people aren't treating you the way you hope they would.

god, why are you so good with negotiating

[FearofFlying]

Let's get one thing crystal clear.... I don't give 2 poops about what you think about me. You are the 1%

 

And if the 1% on this site don't like me I really don't care. I will continue to stick up for myself and I will continue to refuse to act like you want me to act. We can fight every day if you want to ... keep it up.

[X-Wing @Aliciousness]

Let's get one thing crystal clear.... I don't give 2 poops about what you think about me. You are the 1%

 

And if the 1% on this site don't like me I really don't care. I will continue to stick up for myself and I will continue to refuse to act like you want me to act. We can fight every day if you want to ... keep it up.

 

Clearly you do because you keep responding

[FearofFlying]

I'm gonna wrap this up... in summary-

 

I replied to the original poster who asked, "In my recent works, I've been unsatisfied in the overall look. It looks cheap and rough. I've wondered about what steps I can take to create a crisp and clean looking livery, whether it be brighter colors, layering, masks or etc. What are some ways I can make a livery look "real" or to just improve the overall quality?"

 

 

My original responses were on topic. I was and still am highly critical of a template this community uses which is highly unprofessional looking. I was concise and specific in terms of why they were bad looking. I also provided dozens of professional real world examples as evidence. 

 

Some of the examples you so quickly trashed as inferior, are actually used in print and on the web and are projects paid for and approved by the manufactures. It goes to show how far your socially conditioned bias has gone when you elevate a friends refrigerator class artwork above the level of professional work that graces the websites of these brands today. One thing all professional work has in common, and that is none of them have the deficiencies I laid out that is inherent in the final product when using a med template. 

 

If you want to support your friend and their hard work, I support you doing it.

 

If you want to recommend Med templates to people because they are easy and are perfect for the average user, by all means.

 

When you go so far as to downgrade anything not done by a Med template, berating, abusing, flaming, trolling, to the point that it becomes an issue. It crosses a line. There are hundreds if not thousands of people who come here who would never speak up because of very small 1% of you act so superior to everyone else. 

 

When some of you act like professionals and say things like print your artwork to check the color, or you cant layer without burning, it shows how personal this has become. Apparently this little click of yours has made it a point to argue with me on everything, even going so far as to make false statements in support of false beliefs. 

 

You all don't even play the game. Between all of you, if planes were stock, my shares would be more than all off the respondents in this thread combined. You are a 1%AE ultra elite click of salty ass trolls. with terrible taste in livery. 

 

Keep on keeping on with your gravel road look... I challenge all of you... I showed DOZENS of professional designs... by all means... please show me a single example... anywhere... of a med template being used on a commercial website...

 

here is a tip... don't hold your breath while you look....  lol

 

 

*cue angry responses from the 1%*

 

 

Don't worry... I'm over this site...  i let all my airlines orders run out... you have succeeded in running another person off. No reason for me to donate time and effort in a community made up from the likes of you people.

 

 

Have fun with your doll house.

[Speed Bird]

Have fun with your doll house.

 

Ooooh, do you have one too!? Mine's Barbie. 

[Avelo]

Ooooh, do you have one too!? Mine's Barbie.

Please don't tell me you want to make a Barbie livery

[Speed Bird]

Please don't tell me you want to make a Barbie livery

 

O. M. G. 

 

That's actually such an awesome idea.

 

Right, where's Med's templates. 

[0M4R]

 

Don't worry... I'm over this site...  i let all my airlines orders run out... you have succeeded in running another person off. No reason for me to donate time and effort in a community made up from the likes of you people.

 

 

Have fun with your doll house.

goodbye

[ЗЫРХ]

 

 

Don't worry... I'm over this site...  i let all my airlines orders run out... you have succeeded in running another person off. No reason for me to donate time and effort in a community made up from the likes of you people.

[Avelo]

O. M. G.

That's actually such an awesome idea.

Right, where's Med's templates.

Nooooooooooo...

[FearofFlying]

just stopping by to drop off the last version for posterity... anyone with half a decent sense of style and taste will recognize this as being far superior to the vast vast majority of everything you losers have ever made.

 

but instead of being supportive, you decide to attack what makes you look bad... you cant do this kind of thing... you need someone to make layers for you and give you all the tools in a kit....

 

the only reason i came here was to make livery... i didnt even like the game that much... i joined this community for the sole purpose of giving my time to others... and now im leaving. I hope that those clouds and dirt road haunt you forever... like that one spot on the wall that you always see.....

 

I curse you trolls so that every time you look at a AE eurowhite livery... your eyes will see those ugly clouds dead center first. You will always know that what you make would never make it on any real airline's website. It was garbage from the moment you loaded up a cartoon looking template.... might as well paint Bob the Builder trucks for fun.

 

Signing off for good.... sayonara

 

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[Oggey]

just stopping by to drop off the last version for posterity... anyone with half a decent sense of style and taste will recognize this as being far superior to the vast vast majority of everything you losers have ever made.

 

but instead of being supportive, you decide to attack what makes you look bad... you cant do this kind of thing... you need someone to make layers for you and give you all the tools in a kit....

 

the only reason i came here was to make livery... i didnt even like the game that much... i joined this community for the sole purpose of giving my time to others... and now im leaving. I hope that those clouds and dirt road haunt you forever... like that one spot on the wall that you always see.....

 

I curse you trolls so that every time you look at a AE eurowhite livery... your eyes will see those ugly clouds dead center first. You will always know that what you make would never make it on any real airline's website. It was garbage from the moment you loaded up a cartoon looking template.... might as well paint Bob the Builder trucks for fun.

 

Signing off for good.... sayonara

 

Well, what if this is the option that most of us trolls simply prefer?

 

You prefer something else, and that's fine. Not really neccessary to de-rail what was a pretty good constructive thread though.

 

Furthermore I hope you do realise that most us did our own template back in the day; but with Med's absolutely stunning (free, you should really donate if you're using them) contribution. Most of us simply decided we preferred them.

[ladiescanflytoo]

wow, and they say girls fight a lot about nothing...