Hey - I know that you hate me - and you guys banned me from the Discord, but I would like to point something out about me. I've talked to three different people about helping you guys - one of them is proficient in Python if you're interested but it seems like you have a lot of Python people. I have experience running things on forums, namely Universal, and I'm also taking a Leadership course and receiving a high A (94% when I was last told). I can also provide any other service that you'd want. Please let me know and don't just ignore me - I'm really trying to help here.

Do you know what the others are good in?

And we actually do not have many people for Python. JS and PHP is the one we really are wanting for right now.

The current AEv3 build is mostly PHP in the back end with JavaScript taking care of most of the stuff the player sees (charts, graphs, etc). Unless somebody suggests a reason otherwise we'd like to keep that basic arrangement for the sake of easy translation of popular AE features to AEv4.

That said I've been told current AE code "looks more or less like somebody skull****ed spaghetti" (I'm paraphrasing).

Ouch. I saw your comment about the AE error logs (100GB a month or something ridiculous)

I find that a big reason a lot of in-game realistic airlines go bankrupt is because when they are small airlines, they don't route planes when they get them, or a few hours after, but instead wait for a day and do it for some reason. 

+1

You have to have good dedication. Preferably checking AE at least twice on a daily basis. Running profitable and realistic airlines takes a lot of work, dedication and practice. That's why it took me 3 years to work it out. But it is well worth the investment if you are after the level of respect a community will give you. I used to get harassed in the community so much, but that doesn't happen anymore. I am proud of how far I personally have come, and many people on here have the potential to do at least as much. Beating spammers just requires a certain knack for demand manipulation

When you are willing to fly on an inferior airline to get a better aircraft (eg Finnair to fly an A330 rather than Emirates for a 777). Although I do not think there is that significant a difference between the two, especially when price is considered.

At this point?

Those who have Javascript, PHP, Ruby or even Python programming knowledge. Those with web admin experience, backend experience. Those who know the ins and outs of IPBoard. Those who have project planning and management experience.

Then those who don't.

I have very basic python. Not entirely sure how it will help, but maybe it could.

Banned because you crashed into a airport terminal.

Banned because that was a bad driver.

if you really want to base your airline off of the absolute maximum, then US Airways had 16.80 hours util in 2001.

Is that shaded questionable as well?

Banned for being a giant mountain.

Banned because I am actually the fastest accelerating production car in the world at road legal speeds

Banned for derailing a decent thread

What's the hierarchy here?

There isn't one. Except that immature childish posts are not permitted. I'm hoping maestro will ban any immature posters on here (namely Marb1 and kineticcrusher)

Must be Airboss777

You just undermined my defence of your poll. Congrats. Anyway, I don't think this is how you intended this thread to work out

Maybe you should meet some social etiquette experts on threadneedle street

Is this a joke? You didn't start that thread!

No. It's meant for serious mature discussion about how to increase AE's pace of development. I logged in today to see the thread locked. And I read what got it locked. And decided to start this with a disclaimer

Yeah well - I can suffer through 757 issues personally - I'm never going to fly that airbus. In terms of IRL, sure the 321LR would work, however, it still just isn't the same. The 787 is a great replacement for long-runway routes, which a lot of them are anyhow, and the 737 MAX 9 and MAX 10 will suffice for shorter distance routes.

I reckon you'll be running the Boeing Only Aircraft Corporation soon  

Brilliant move in my opinion!  Bombardier still gets to fulfill their obligations to their customer, Delta Airlines, who ordered a large amount of CSeries aircraft & is crucial to the program's success.  This is a great way for them to retaliate against the US Government's overly protectionist sanctions, which I feel do not have a place in the global aviation industry.  I wish them well in their endeavour.

YES!!! Finally Bombardier has the chance to stick a big middle finger in Boeing's face. Time for Boeing to admit they have an inferior product and actually catch up

What about an exponentially-scaling "luxury tax" that increases as airlines grow? So there is an underlying "maintenance" cost of running an airline that gets bigger as the airline gets bigger that keeps you making a more linear profit curve rather than making money exponentially as the airline gets bigger.

 

Basically, at year 5, you can afford 10 A320s per year. In the current landscape, at year 10, you could afford 25,000 A320s per year. With a scaling airline-overhead cost, maybe you could only actually afford 20 A320s in year 10.

Brilliant suggestion, but AE is not in development anymore until this community gets it's own developer team together to build AE4 itself

Since the original 8 page thread got locked due to immature behaviour by some posting on it, I have restarted it here, as it is a serious discussion. 

If you want to post anything immature at all here, dont.

Post it on this thread where nobody cares at all. Link is below.

http://www.airline-e...e-2#entry248064

Anyway, for those holding a serious discussion, feel free to continue in a calm, composed and productive manner. May discussions recommence.

Maestro, please do not lock this thread. Just ban the immature ones who hijack it. Thank you in advance. Hopefully your services will not be required on this thread. I know your life extends well beyond this game.

I respect people who respect me. Have you respected me? NO! Have I bothered you? NO!

Calm down Marb. People struggle with your sometimes immature posts and potential lack of understanding of these forums. You just need to make sure your posts are appropriate. Actually, myself, you and Zortan do. We are by far the highest posting daily members to the point it is irritating people. We all need to keep a lid on our posts. 

Marb, do you not realize that age is a personal privacy for everyone and nobody has no reason to share theirs with you? Come on man, have SOME respect for people.

Also, the results are not public. Only the spread is. We don't know who the one person who is 30+ is

Personally the opposite is true with me, especially when you have a long-range plane. For example, with the 747, I make a lot more money flying JFK-NRT than I do flying JFK-LAX.

JFK-NRT is ridiculously long though. It's way past all the price breaks. Although if you have the route to yourself and decent service you can charge a pretty penny for anyone flying.

flying shorter routes will generally boost your profit margins by a significant amount. [ as a general rule]

There are certain price breaks. 

50 miles

100 miles

500 miles

1000 miles

2500 miles

5000 miles

and likely others. 

Being just above a price break will make a route quite profitable usually. Being just under will make it tough. But that varies. 

Also, shorter routes are ​generally ​more competitive, as the barriers to entry are far lower. But that doesn't stop markets like LHR-JFK becoming massively overcrowded.I regularly find short routes priced down to 20 of their original market prices. Whereas longer routes tend to be more about clever manipulation if you know how the system works at all

It's not all about money. As Stevph was saying, we also need people who are fluent in coding.

I'm not that either. I would have to learn JSS from scratch starting right now to have a chance of making the team. My only experience is Python. Which is completely useless here.

Brilliant idea. I will politely mention that AE is under pretty much zero development right now because of aformentioned developer crisis in the AE development thread.

How about this. 

Joining the AE developer team in exchange for x% of the final revenues of the game (AD revenue). x will change depending on numbers. Yuxi is not included in these as he is assumed to be dead at this point in time. With 2 developers taking 50% of all final revenue each, I think this game would progress rapidly. I do not know when AE3 came out, because I was not internet fluent enough to find this website at the time. I do not know how well this would work, but I think someone may take it up. Please comment on whether this is feasible (without being an abrasive penis in the process). I am open to constructive feedback and anything that could help this game to progress.

Hey there AE community!

I'm wondering what a good profit margin is. I currently have about 10% or more each month. Is this good? If not, how could I fix it? If this is good, what should be my next step into becoming a larger airline?

Depending on the type of airline, it varies. 

​If this is a realistic fairly good service airline (basically anything other than a spamline or ULCC) then 10% is good going. My airline Blue Air (premium low fare short haul, premium full service long haul) averaged around 8% initially (average AC utilisation of around 11 hours daily). By the end of the world, it was averaging 19-22%. Average aircraft utilisation was around 12 for short haul planes and 14 for long haul ones. Long haul boosted margins significantly. For a primarily short haul airline, especially anything other than a spamline or ULCC, 10% is very good. Keep it up. 

I just looked at your airline (by the way, Norwegian isn't US based (yet). Norwegian is an odd airline that sets up subsidiaries of itself to get around traffic restrictions, often in odd places. But they don't have a US one just yet. With your aircraft utilisation figures, you should be scoring far higher than 10% profit margin. Obviously things are tough at the start, but once established, 10% is not good enough for this type of airline. A spamline typically acheives around 25-30% once they settle down a bit and are more established. 10 is good for alliance airlines running under severe realism restrictions. These make running profitably very challenging, but 10% is achievable in those circumstances. If as a spamline or genuinely not attempting to be realistic airline you are getting only 10%, you need to optimise, especially in wages, aircraft operations and gate payments