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As probably you know (or don't) , a brand new Sukhoi Superjet 100 commercial jet crashed in the mountain of West Java (Mt. Salak) yesterday afternoon. The wreckage was found early this morning from the view of helicopter, and the SAR team was on the way to reach the remote parts of the mountain to find the survivors (if any) and victims.

This is just a test flight as one of the local Indonesian budget airline (Kartika Airlines) apparently had ordered 30 aircrafts from this Russian aviation company.
Ironically, the celebration of the first flight in Indonesia ( yess , you didnt read wrong!) , was marked by fatal crash.

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The pilot and co-pilot were instructor from Russia, the flight was accompanied by Kartika Airlines senior pilots and instructor, along with civilians by invitation.

Let's hope we can find as many survivors as possible; and prayers to the victims and their families.
I wonder how would this continue.. should Kartika Airlines cancel this order?

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My prayer to the crew and pax on-board, and their family.

To make it less ironic, the aircraft is on second demo flight. First demo flight went uneventful earlier in the morning.
According to this, Kartika Airlines possibly delays its first SSJ100 delivery pending investigation.
Considering how paranoid people can be, the accident is PR disaster for Sukhoi, as well as their airline customers.
They might want to learn from Airbus. In 1988, AF 296 a brand new A320 crashed while flying low over an airshow.
They blamed it on pilot error, and continue to sell well until now.

I bet Kartika Airlines order of 15 SSJ100 is heavily backup by favorable financing, on business logic I would keep the order.
On personal side, if I'm the airline CEO, I would cancel order of aircraft that killed my COO.

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My thoughts are with the families of the victims at this time.
It's being reported that the CEO and other influential members of a, yet unnamed, large Indonesian airline were on-board.

The Russian's are already blaming the crash pilot error, but the pilot had 54 years of experience... I guess the Sukhoi sales team is going to have an up-hill struggle trying to sell the Superjet to Delta now :/

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It is reported total of 52 lives were on board that damned flight. 8 crews and 44 passengers. SAR search is postponed until tomorrow morning. The location was right smack up in the mountain with heavy fog. This is tough !

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I'm very disappointed with this crash tbh :/

At first, I was excited by the prospect of flying in a brand new russian airplanes but now,this incident occured and I doubt they will proceed with order. I think not only sukhoi but other russian manufacturers will get a hiccup in their sales because of this crash :/

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If it was a plane malfunction... then yes


It's Russian! What else could it have been? :P

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It's Russian! What else could it have been? :P


That's a bit insensitive don't you think? :/

Yes this is very similar to the AF A320 crash, however they were doing a fly by and they were way to low, this was way up in the sky and collided into a mountain, the fact they went into a mountain states pilot error but how they got there also says there was an instrument failure or the fell from the sky, or still pilot error.
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To me that doesn't make sense :/ though better to have an accident now then when its got a full load on a commercial flight.

My heart is with those who lost their lives and there families. :(

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That's a bit insensitive don't you think? :/


Actually, I get it all the time from American's commenting on Airbus...

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Well it happened with airbus.

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PR Disaster? Yes.
Lack of orders because of it? No.

Airbus did it (crash) :whistling: and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what :/ Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it :)


After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country? :S

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PR Disaster? Yes.
Lack of orders because of it? No.

Airbus did it (crash) :whistling: and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what :/ Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it :)


After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country? :S


I believe that the western implication does not make it safer. Russian airplanes are as safe as any other plane if they are well maintained.

PD: RIP to all people onboard :(

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Well, Kartika Airlines and Sky Air looks to postpone the delivery until the cause of crash is determined. Public here wants to know how un the world such claimed to be high tech instrument aircraft can't detect the surrounding terrain of mountain. Another mystery is why would the ELT beacon did not function as Jakarta, Singapore and Australian ATCs did not capture any emergency signal after crash?

Anyway, with local media guarding this case, this Sukhoi have extremely slim chance to fly over our airspace in the future.

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It's might go either way Dohi... By the way, is it true that Indonesians prefer Soekarno over Suharto?

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For those of you who might be interested with independent analyses,

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Manufacturer's representative for Indonesia said they have not receive any formal order cancellation yet, while government official remain neutral of airline business decision toward Sukhoi purchase.

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PR Disaster? Yes.
Lack of orders because of it? No.

Airbus did it (crash) :whistling: and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what :/ Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it :)


After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country? :S

My airline is still going to order some SJ100's.

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My thoughts are with the families of the victims at this time.
It's being reported that the CEO and other influential members of a, yet unnamed, large Indonesian airline were on-board.

The Russian's are already blaming the crash pilot error, but the pilot had 54 years of experience... I guess the Sukhoi sales team is going to have an up-hill struggle trying to sell the Superjet to Delta now :/


FYI,from some information,the pilot are flying for a first time in indonesia,and first time flying in Salak mountain...
another that,ATC accepts Sukhoi request to descend to 6.000..FYI,the altitude of Salak mountain is approximately 7000fts,

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PR Disaster? Yes. Lack of orders because of it? No. Airbus did it (crash) :whistling: and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what :/ Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it :) After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country? :S

FYI,from some information,the pilot are flying for a first time in indonesia,and first time flying in Salak mountain... another that,ATC accepts Sukhoi request to descend to 6.000..FYI,the altitude of Salak mountain is approximately 7000fts,


That should answer :P

My airline is still going to order some SJ100's.

And your point is in this context? Game discussions don't belong here.

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FYI,from some information,the pilot are flying for a first time in indonesia,and first time flying in Salak mountain...
another that,ATC accepts Sukhoi request to descend to 6.000..FYI,the altitude of Salak mountain is approximately 7000fts,


Just because the pilot was flying in the area for the first time, does not mean the crash was caused by pilot error. Post hoc ergo propter hoc!
From the sounds of it, it was ATC error.

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Just because the pilot was flying in the area for the first time, does not mean the crash was caused by pilot error. Post hoc ergo propter hoc! From the sounds of it, it was ATC error.


I thought the consensus was always of that :mellow: Whatever it is, condolences to the families of the bereaved.

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