#1
Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:24 AM
This is just a test flight as one of the local Indonesian budget airline (Kartika Airlines) apparently had ordered 30 aircrafts from this Russian aviation company.
Ironically, the celebration of the first flight in Indonesia ( yess , you didnt read wrong!) , was marked by fatal crash.
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The pilot and co-pilot were instructor from Russia, the flight was accompanied by Kartika Airlines senior pilots and instructor, along with civilians by invitation.
Let's hope we can find as many survivors as possible; and prayers to the victims and their families.
I wonder how would this continue.. should Kartika Airlines cancel this order?
#2
Posted 10 May 2012 - 04:48 AM
To make it less ironic, the aircraft is on second demo flight. First demo flight went uneventful earlier in the morning.
According to this, Kartika Airlines possibly delays its first SSJ100 delivery pending investigation.
Considering how paranoid people can be, the accident is PR disaster for Sukhoi, as well as their airline customers.
They might want to learn from Airbus. In 1988, AF 296 a brand new A320 crashed while flying low over an airshow.
They blamed it on pilot error, and continue to sell well until now.
I bet Kartika Airlines order of 15 SSJ100 is heavily backup by favorable financing, on business logic I would keep the order.
On personal side, if I'm the airline CEO, I would cancel order of aircraft that killed my COO.
#3
Posted 10 May 2012 - 09:53 AM
It's being reported that the CEO and other influential members of a, yet unnamed, large Indonesian airline were on-board.
The Russian's are already blaming the crash pilot error, but the pilot had 54 years of experience... I guess the Sukhoi sales team is going to have an up-hill struggle trying to sell the Superjet to Delta now
#4
Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:23 AM
#5
Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:52 AM
At first, I was excited by the prospect of flying in a brand new russian airplanes but now,this incident occured and I doubt they will proceed with order. I think not only sukhoi but other russian manufacturers will get a hiccup in their sales because of this crash
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#6
Posted 10 May 2012 - 02:06 PM
If it was a plane malfunction... then yes
It's Russian! What else could it have been?
#7
Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:04 PM
It's Russian! What else could it have been?
That's a bit insensitive don't you think?
Yes this is very similar to the AF A320 crash, however they were doing a fly by and they were way to low, this was way up in the sky and collided into a mountain, the fact they went into a mountain states pilot error but how they got there also says there was an instrument failure or the fell from the sky, or still pilot error.
- 9 May 2012 - Crashes during a demonstration flight in Indonesia. No survivors were found.
- 10 May 2012 - Pakistan is interested in purchasing 8 new SSJ-100 planes.
My heart is with those who lost their lives and there families.
#8
Posted 10 May 2012 - 03:50 PM
That's a bit insensitive don't you think?
Actually, I get it all the time from American's commenting on Airbus...
#9
Posted 13 May 2012 - 12:46 AM
#10
Posted 13 May 2012 - 03:59 PM
Lack of orders because of it? No.
Airbus did it (crash) and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it
After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country?
#11
Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:18 AM
PR Disaster? Yes.
Lack of orders because of it? No.
Airbus did it (crash) and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it
After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country?
I believe that the western implication does not make it safer. Russian airplanes are as safe as any other plane if they are well maintained.
PD: RIP to all people onboard
#12
Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:15 AM
Anyway, with local media guarding this case, this Sukhoi have extremely slim chance to fly over our airspace in the future.
#13
Posted 16 May 2012 - 12:15 PM
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#14
Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:49 PM
#15
Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:46 AM
http://gerryairways....but-deadly.html
Manufacturer's representative for Indonesia said they have not receive any formal order cancellation yet, while government official remain neutral of airline business decision toward Sukhoi purchase.
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:04 PM
My airline is still going to order some SJ100's.PR Disaster? Yes.
Lack of orders because of it? No.
Airbus did it (crash) and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it
After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country?
#17
Posted 18 May 2012 - 04:32 AM
My thoughts are with the families of the victims at this time.
It's being reported that the CEO and other influential members of a, yet unnamed, large Indonesian airline were on-board.
The Russian's are already blaming the crash pilot error, but the pilot had 54 years of experience... I guess the Sukhoi sales team is going to have an up-hill struggle trying to sell the Superjet to Delta now
FYI,from some information,the pilot are flying for a first time in indonesia,and first time flying in Salak mountain...
another that,ATC accepts Sukhoi request to descend to 6.000..FYI,the altitude of Salak mountain is approximately 7000fts,
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#18
Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:30 AM
PR Disaster? Yes. Lack of orders because of it? No. Airbus did it (crash) and Sukhoi's actually backed by West European expertise, and if I remember Boeing is involved in it for I-dont-know-what Makes it much safer and assuring than purely Russian, isn't it After all, I don't think it'll escape unscathed if it were to fly in every single country in SE Asia (If it survived ID) (bar the other Maritime ASEAN countries) without crashing. Do you really expect people to be familiar with every setting in every country?
FYI,from some information,the pilot are flying for a first time in indonesia,and first time flying in Salak mountain... another that,ATC accepts Sukhoi request to descend to 6.000..FYI,the altitude of Salak mountain is approximately 7000fts,
That should answer
And your point is in this context? Game discussions don't belong here.My airline is still going to order some SJ100's.
#19
Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:37 AM
FYI,from some information,the pilot are flying for a first time in indonesia,and first time flying in Salak mountain...
another that,ATC accepts Sukhoi request to descend to 6.000..FYI,the altitude of Salak mountain is approximately 7000fts,
Just because the pilot was flying in the area for the first time, does not mean the crash was caused by pilot error. Post hoc ergo propter hoc!
From the sounds of it, it was ATC error.
#20
Posted 18 May 2012 - 11:01 AM
Just because the pilot was flying in the area for the first time, does not mean the crash was caused by pilot error. Post hoc ergo propter hoc! From the sounds of it, it was ATC error.
I thought the consensus was always of that Whatever it is, condolences to the families of the bereaved.
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