Will pay 90 million each.

its not that evenyone is ordering at once, its that you have the major ones all orders 30 plus... which in my and my friend's oppinion., is rediculous...

simsmart, you said its disabled, but i still only get 2 a month? was it turned back on?

What is ridiculous about large airlines ordering large amounts of aircraft?

Buying isnt or seems to be ok, its selling thats a problem.

If you list any B1900 you originaly received, it will say it is valued at $9m and 0 years, when its 5-yrs old and value is $5,931.734

So, this new used market will take the extra funds from your account as it viewed you sold it too low in value. Being a script BUG in the market value.

Well starline bought and said it didn't quite work out as planned.

I've had another -180,000 show up on my finance sheet this month (despite no transactions).

The new market script seems pretty messy and unpredictable.

Just experienced something similar.

For testing I've placed a bid for a B1900D at $7m. Well, good thing is I instantly received an aircraft, but did not pay the $7m I've bid, but roundabout $9m (the undepreciated value of the aircraft) putting me slightly into the red (had about $8.9m.). The ingame message said I purchased the aircraft for -180k. This would equal about 2% of the undepreciated aircraft value. Unfortuantely I don't remember the demand factor of the B1900D at the time of purchase to be able to say if it matched.

When listing the 1900D it referenced the 9 million price (and said my plane was 0 years old). I also got a 180,000 dollar loss on my finance page for last month, despite not conducting any used a/c sales for that month. Has anyone had a normal transaction? Have there been any other failure modes? Has anyone gotten a good deal?

I listed my 1900D for $6250000, and was told "There was a matching bid for your aircraft, and it was immediately matched. You sold your aircraft for $-4,590,000.00."

I was given about 3 million. Boooo.

Wait until the game is reset (less competition). Sim 2 resets this weekend. No idea on sim 1.

2 Metros. When it started in the modern era it was always 2 1900s or J31s, so that seems fair. Starting late in the game will always be hard, no matter what aircraft you're given.

No, not unless your margins are VERY poor.

The gate fees are lower (the discount increases the more gates you buy), but the discount you get won't add up to much when you consider the large cash outlay required to buy the gates. You will probably get a better return on investment by purchasing more aircraft and opening more routes.

The airport cannot repo any gates that you own as part of a terminal. Furthermore, you cannot get rid of them if you want to.

Yes, but the larger the terminal the more discounted the gate costs are.

From my own personal experience, it seems like when you return gates, you keep getting charged, whereas when they are taken from you due to to lack of use they stop billing you. What are other peoples experiences?

Well it would make sense if aircraft appears only after someone sells them. It's only "used" after it passes through an airline's hands, right? What would the benefit of starting with existing used aircraft?

The idea was that while those aircraft no longer in production could no longer be purchased from the manufacturer, there would still be a certain number of frames floating around in the used market. In this case used implied they were used before the AE round began.

While we're at it though, perhaps more types need to be introduced to the game, in order to take the pressure of Airbus and Boeing as the only providers of larger aircraft? i.e. (relatively) recently out-of-production models such as the MD11, 767-200, MD90 or even the IL-96, Tu-205 and Tu-154, all at attractively cheap purchase prices, but with less attractive economics. Perhaps they could be bought 'used' from the manufacturers (as if they had been traded back to them by airlines, or returned from leases en masse), rather than needing to use the 2nd hand market?

We already have the Saab 2000, Dornier 328 and 757 series anyway. This cheap purchase/lower economics model could perhaps be retroactively applied to the A300, 763 and A310 as well, as nobody is really flying them? As far as I'm aware the models already exist in sim1 for types such as the 747-2/300/SP, DC10-30, Fokker 50/70/100, MD82/83, BAe ATP, BAe Jetstream 41, BAe full AVRO range, Saab 340, Shorts 360, L1011-200/500 and Fairchild Metro? So maybe this is a concept that wouldn't be amazingly hard to implement? At any rate, its not like there already isn't some disparity between old and new types in sim1, with the Dash 8-100 being offered alongside the ATR42-500 and the A310-200 vs. the 787-8. Sure a lot of these aircraft wouldn't be terribly competitive against newer types, but if they were cheap to purchase, I think you'd see quite a few of them purchased. Furthermore, I've seen plenty of Q100's in-game and even the (very) occasional A310, so it'd be workable, I think.

I haven't played Sim 2 since the [somewhat disaterous] introduction of the [then] new used a/c market, but one of the ideas we'd talked about was having the used a/c market start with a/c in it. My understanding is that the used a/c market is now run by some kind of bank or something? Would it be possible to start each game with a certain number of older used a/c on the market?

I don't think it is as much a problem of operating costs as it is of revenue. The A330-300 seating capacity is clearly all economy (as are our ticket prices), but most of the other long haul a/c seem to have their seating capacity derived from multi class layouts. This cripples all other a/c when compared to the mighty 333. I would be more than happy to research this and come up with a list of single class seating capacities. (I suggested this to Miller a few years ago and I think he was interested, but it was right before he took a break from the game)

to add Long-Haul a/cs seem not to be long-haul at all! B744 and B744ER; A343, A345, A346; B773, B772LR are supposed to be the backbone of the long-haul to ultra-long haul flts. but they have the same hour alotment as the commuter planes thus limiting their full capabilities. eg A340s, B744s and B777s are used between hong kong - london, london-johannesburg, bangkok, singapore-new york and KL-AMS non-stop. i suggest long-haul hours should be increased based on its max range

I don't think it would add any realism to the game to be able to fly a single plane more than 24 hours a day. If the goal is to be able to avoid 1-way bugs and operate these routes r/t, than how about offering longhual a/c in pairs? it would be sold like any other plane, except it would be called say, a "777-300ER pair", cost twice as much and have 44 hours instead?

In the real world A330's are more efficient than 767's. Why do some carriers like Delta still prefer huge fleets of 767s? Well a nice gentleman's agreement with Boeing for one giving very favorable purchase prices and fleet comonality for another for maintenance and training costs. Appearantly these things make it worthwhile to continue operating these aircraft... be interesting to see what happens when they start integrating the NW planes as NW is one of the largest operators of the A330 in the world...

It is also important to remember history here; Delta was flying the 767 10 years before the first A330s were in revenue service. I think the Boeing agreement probably had more to do with DL ordering 738s over A320s and 777s over A340s than it did with the 767 fleet.

i also do sim 1 and started right when the dc-3 production ended, i was only able to actually buy one... but the way its set up seems fine, its just that there arent enough of the cheaper aircraft like the dc-3 that are available to be bought new. the smallest thing now is 40 pax, and 13 mil. i as the onwer will not pay the 3 million dollars for a 1.5 million dollar plane, i understand why they do that, but as a new airline that doesnt help us.

The DC-3 is a 2.5 million dollar airplane. Thats what the market seems to currently value them at. The manufacturer seemed to undervalue them, but that shouldn't affect how you think of the airplane. If they were never available at 1.5 and Douglas was selling them now new for 2.5 million would you order them? The stated accounting value used in the game should not affect how you think of an airplane. A Convair 340 for 1 million overvalue is a better deal right now I think than a 4-0-4 at value.

It's not a set schedule and depends on what's going on, but usually before year 10

I think Miller is still in the eastern time zone (US). When the game is turned on it is often paused for a while, so even if you aren't in first, you'll still start off just as well as everyone else.

Looks like it is paused, so no hurry.

It is paused. It will start tomorrow (see first message).

You shouldn't need to create a new account. Your old name and password will work for both.

can you try to read forums as there is a post on this subject.

The problem is that the thread title didn't have anything to do with used aircraft, so I tihnk people can be excused if they skipped it. At any rate, Jay, we just don't know. The new system has been implemented without much of an explanation.

hmmm. Looks like Bombardier delivered over 40 frames last month, which was well over 20+10%.

I know its been discussed, but I couldn't find it. How are a/c delivered in Sim2? Is it two per player for everyone, or just for the 20+10%?

Are you making the routes through the route screen ("market research for new route" link)? If so, there are two solutions:

Place the aircraft in question for sale on the used market, and immediately delist it(list at max price to keep someone from actually buying it, and don't do this with DC-3s). Then proceed as normal, the aircraft should show up.

or

Go to the aircraft screen and select a plane. Click the "Place this aircraft on a new route" link and proceed from there.

yeah, I didn't get charged.