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#265540 Wright Brothers

Posted by N664US on 07 March 2018 - 11:03 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

I'm going to try and make a few suggestions, and I'm hoping they're "constructive" enough.

 

1. The blue: yes, blue and red lettering has won awards (and North Carolina's license plate is pretty great), but there's too much going on. From the waves at the bottom of the fuselage, to the stripes on the tail, to the jagged pattern on the engines, and the odd light blue on the top deck of the 747, it looks cluttered. If you have just one or two of them, it's fine. But having so many things going on at one time makes the eyes strain.

 

2. The font: Red provides a nice contrast. But, if you're going for a large airline (especially one that operates 747s and is #1 on S1), then you're going to need a different font. Writing "Wright Brothers" (especially with the apostrophe) with that font looks cartoonish and unprofessional. I'd recommend https://www.dafont.com/ and http://www.1001fonts.com/ for a new font: it's free, and you can make sure your text looks good before you download it.

 

3. All the characters: If I'm counting correctly, I see two airplanes, one man, a Boeing logo, your profile picture, and a bunch of text ("First in Flight," "Five Sins," "747-8i") smattered haphazardly onto the fuselage. If you're going to have the Wright Flyer as your logo, then so be it. But using actual images and then pasting them on isn't going to do it — that's unprofessional and messy. Same goes for everything else you've added — there's certainly a place and size for all of them, but they can't just be cropped images that have been pasted onto the plane. You need some organization in order to improve clarity and visibility. Otherwise, it looks amateur.

 

You're off and running in the world of template making. But before you keep going, you need to slow down, take some time off from the templates, and then come back to them with fresh eyes to see what needs work (and no, bashing Med's templates does not count as taking time off). Just like Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was the perfect livery. I see some promise in this, it just needs some... improvements.




#269387 WINNERS ANNOUNCED AE Arabic Airline Design Contest 2018

Posted by N664US on 15 June 2018 - 05:33 AM in Logo / Livery Requests

N664US, TRANSPORT AÉRIEN ALGÉRIEN, DZA, ALG — Algiers Houari Boumediene International Airport


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About Algérien
Transport Aérien Algérien (IATA: AG, ICAO: DZA, Callsign: ALGERIAN), commonly referred to simply as Algérien, is an Algerian airline based on the grounds of the Houari Boumediene Airport in Algiers, with focus cities in Oran and Paris - de Gaulle. In Arabic, Algérien is referred to as الجزائرية, which is a shortening of the full name of الخطوط الجوية الجزائرية. It is the flag carrier of Algeria, with service to 31 domestic destinations and 42 international destinations.

Algérien operates a fleet of predominantly Airbus aircraft, most of which came as a result of the long and historical (albeit tense) relationship between Algeria and France, which has provided both financial assistance and technical aid on the purchase and maintenance of both Airbus and ATR aircraft. Algérien is currently a member of Unitedwings, offering a connection between Northern and Western Africa and the world.

Current Fleet
Airbus A319-100 — 8C 114Y — 14 aircraft
Airbus A320-200 — 12C 132Y — 20 aircraft
Airbus A321-200 — 16C 159Y — 6 aircraft
Airbus A330-200 — 23C 28W 192Y — 12 aircraft
Airbus A330-300 — 30C 35W 223Y — 3 aircraft
ATR 72-500 — 68Y — 15 aircraft

Aircraft Orders
Airbus A330-800neo — 8 aircraft from 2018 (sole and launch customer)
Bombardier CS100 — 10 orders from 2020
Bombardier CS300 — 5 orders from 2019

 

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Presented here is a breakdown of the livery's main components.

 

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Here's a render of an example A330-200 in the Algérien fleet.




#274006 Which way should the curve go?!

Posted by N664US on 18 November 2018 - 10:41 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

Not picturing what you're trying to say here, sorry man!

 

The so-called "dorsal fin" is the extension of the tailfin outwards, found on the 737-300 and later. 

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Presently, the dorsal fin has been painted blue. Thus, a blue extension is seen.

 

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Here, the dorsal fin has been left white. As a result, only the main part of the tailfin is painted.

 

Try changing your livery such that the tail leaves the dorsal fin (mostly) white, with an adapted curve.




#274001 Which way should the curve go?!

Posted by N664US on 18 November 2018 - 10:16 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

Try curving forwards without painting the dorsal fin on the tail and see how that works.



#266364 What's your favorite/most hated real-world airline livery?

Posted by N664US on 20 March 2018 - 04:10 AM in General AE Discussion

Favourites: Qantas (2017-), Hawaiian (2017-), Air Canada (2004-2017), Garuda Indonesia (2010-), KLM (1971-2002, 2002-2017, 2017-)

 

Least Favourites: Mexicana (1991-2008), Virgin Australia as Virgin Blue (2000-2006), Japan Airlines (2011-), Lufthansa (2018-)




#271718 What's you accent?

Posted by N664US on 27 August 2018 - 02:51 AM in Off Topic

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#267215 What Subways/Metros/Monorails have you been in?

Posted by N664US on 15 April 2018 - 10:41 PM in Real World Surface Transportation

Note: this counts trams/light rail/people movers, commuter/heavy rail, and subways/monorails

 

As of 22AUG2018:

 

Amsterdam (NL): GVB Trams, NS Sprinter

Atlanta (GA): Atlanta Airport PlaneTrain, ATL SkyTrain

Avignon (FR): SNCF TER

Boston (US): The T (Green Line, Red Line, Orange Line)

Copenhagen (DK): Copenhagen Metro, S-Tog

Detroit (US): Terminal A ExpressTram

Geneva (CH): TPG Trams

Hong Kong (HK): MTR

London (UK): London Underground

Minneapolis (US): Minneapolis Airport Tram

Nagoya (JP): Meitetsu μSky Limited Express

New York (US): New York City Subway, AirTrain JFK

Newark (US): NJ Transit, AirTrain EWR

Nice (FR): SNCF TER

Orlando (US): Orlando Airport People Movers

Osaka (JP): Osaka Metro

Oslo (NO): NSB Commuter

Paris (FR): Paris Métro, RER

Rome (IT): Metropolitana di Roma

San Francisco (US): BART, San Francisco Cable Cars

Seattle (US): Sound Transit, Sea-Tac Satellite Transit System

Seoul (KR): Seoul Subway, AREX, Incheon Airport Starline Shuttle

Tokyo (JP): JR East, Tokyo Metro, Tokyo Monorail

Vienna (AT): WL Tramway

Washington DC (US): WMATA Metrorail




#266395 What Is The Benefit Of An Alliance?

Posted by N664US on 21 March 2018 - 02:35 AM in New Players and Questions

That's more or less exactly how it works, but you might think of it as though it does it automatically. 

 

When your airline establishes a hub, you can get connecting passengers in flights to and from your hub airport(s).

 

When you join an alliance, you get connecting passengers from their hubs, and vice-versa. 

 

Not to mention the bonus in reputation you get. If your alliance serves over 600 destinations combined, you'll also get an extra 10% of your reputation, with that percentage amount varying depending on the number of destinations served (hence an alliance serving 300 destinations will have 5% extra reputation). If you're going for an airline with a really high reputation, I'd recommend joining an alliance for reputation purposes as well.




#272592 United States Govsim (USG), Fun RPG!

Posted by N664US on 29 September 2018 - 12:30 AM in Other Games

In all honesty, it makes the most sense (for me at least) to start here, even if it's only a draft. Elios is a longtime member with an excellent grasp on how USGovSim works, and this serves as a sort of penultimate rulebook that doubles as a fun read. The House itself is wildly complicated in real life, so I rather appreciate that as many of the processes and rules have been carried over. 




#271380 Tutorial: Keep Your Masking Game Strong (Photoshop, GIMP, Paint.NET)

Posted by N664US on 15 August 2018 - 04:24 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

This is my favourite thread on AE. Also the first one I visited.



#267277 Tower3D Schedule for the world of AE

Posted by N664US on 19 April 2018 - 08:05 AM in Other Games

I guess I'll include Middle West here...

 

Name: Middle West Airlines
IATA: MD
ICAO: MDL
Callsign: MIDDLE WEST
Routes (include a/c IATA type and number of flights daily/times of flights and flight #s if possible):
 
PHL-CVG 5x daily (667 seats/day), PHL-MSP 4x daily (471 seats/day), PHL-MCI 3x daily (251 seats/day)
 
FLIGHT   | ROUTE    | DEPARTS  | ARRIVES  | A/C TYPE
MD 2099 | PHL-CVG | DEP 06:30 | ARR 08:16 | 738
MD 1029 | PHL-MSP | DEP 06:45 | ARR 08:26 | 73G
MD 3191 | PHL-MCI | DEP 08:15 | ARR 09:45 | E75
MD 3703 | PHL-CVG | DEP 10:10 | ARR 11:56 | E90
MD 1493 | PHL-MSP | DEP 10:30 | ARR 12:11 | 73G
MD 2478 | PHL-CVG | DEP 13:00 | ARR 14:46 | 73G
MD 1661 | PHL-MSP | DEP 14:15 | ARR 15:56 | 73G
MD 3423 | PHL-MCI | DEP 14:25 | ARR 15:55 | E90
MD 2527 | PHL-CVG | DEP 15:25 | ARR 17:11 | 73G
MD 3601 | PHL-MCI | DEP 17:25 | ARR 18:55 | E75
MD 2741 | PHL-CVG | DEP 18:40 | ARR 20:26 | 738
MD 3787 | PHL-MSP | DEP 18:55 | ARR 20:36 | E90



#265871 Tips for New Players

Posted by N664US on 11 March 2018 - 10:18 PM in New Players and Questions

What are alliances for?

There are two kinds of alliances, those in the forums and those in-game.

 

Those in the forums (look for Forums > Alliances > [alliance name]) are more strategic cooperations. They tend to have stricter admissions policies and require a certain standing before accepting people. They tend to operate in only a few specific worlds (such as how Dynasty World operates in RDelta), but have much closer cooperation in comparison to the strictly in-game alliances. Expect teamwork, cooperation, and tips and tricks to come your way with these alliances, but know that you need the experience to join some (especially those like Unitedwings, Dynasty World, or Azure). There will also be some policies like anti-competition and cooperation involved with joining one of these alliances.

 

Those in-game tend to do much less. If you look under "Reputation," 10% of your possible reputation comes from alliance destinations served. If you feel as if you'll be accepted in one (and acceptance rates are usually high), then join one. You should (depending on the size of the alliance) gain a few reputation points. Some alliances in-game are connected together, either via threads in the alliance forum or external methods such as Slack or Discord. For the most part, however, many treat in-game alliances as ways to gain reputation and have little in terms of actual cooperation. 




#265811 The best B767-200ER & B767-300ER replacements?

Posted by N664US on 10 March 2018 - 08:13 PM in General AE Discussion

If you're talking about Spring Air, then it's 2015.

 

Seeing as you already have the A330-200 (and it's in a much denser configuration), you'd need something the same size/capacity of the existing model, not an upgrade. In that case, I'd steer you towards the 787-8, which has roughly the same capacity as the 767-300ER.

 

Unfortunately, I cannot recommend you a replacement for the 767-200ER (it's somewhat of a niche aircraft, with no real replacement that has the same range). You can only really go up or down in capacity and range, unfortunately. Closest in physical size going up would be the 787-8, but it would be too much aircraft for some routes. Closest in size going down would be the A321neo, although it would have fewer seats and less range. 




#271249 Southeast Asia and Oceania Design Competition 2018

Posted by N664US on 10 August 2018 - 07:29 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

The entirety of New Caledonia is under the shaded portion of BFS' map... should be a valid entry in my book. If it's shaded, it's included, including American Samoa (US), Guam (US), Northern Mariana Islands (US), and Wallis-et-Futuna (France). No one complained when that guy made a Guamanian entry, so why should we complain now?




#270708 Southeast Asia and Oceania Design Competition 2018

Posted by N664US on 24 July 2018 - 07:50 PM in Logo / Livery Requests


Airline Name: Malayair Berhad (operating as malayair)


Country of Origin: Malaysia


ICAO | IATA | Callsign: MY | MYR | Malay Air


Fleet:

Malayair's fleet is almost entirely composed of Boeing aircraft. Currently, the 737-800 and 737-900ER aircraft are used for regional flights, the 777-200ER/LR for long-haul flights, the 777-300ER as Malayair's flagship, and the A330-200 and A330-300 on Australasian routes. To replace these aircraft, Malayair has orders for the 737MAX series (with 3 delivered), 787-8 and 787-9 to replace the A330 (6 -8's delivered), and the A350-900 as a replacement for the 777-200ER/LR.


Description: Malayair is a leading full-service carrier in Malaysia, founded in 1973 to connect Malaysia and Singapore with regional flights. From a base in Kuala Lumpur, Malayair leads Southeast Asia as a premier carrier and a Unitedwings member since 2013. Serving 4 continents, 73 destinations, and 27 countries around the world, Malayair has global reach and represents Malaysia.

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Livery Breakdown:


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#270907 Southeast Asia and Oceania Design Competition 2018

Posted by N664US on 29 July 2018 - 03:28 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

 

 

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Isn't Kiwi disqualified? Time stamps mark it as being first displayed in early July. 

 

Rules:

 

  • Livery must have proper titles for its country. (I.E english name and language of the country need to be present if the main language is other than english) 
  • Cannot be already established (the goal of this is to promote creativity. Not just enter something with a year of work behind it. 
  • Preferably 2 airline submissions per country. 
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  • Please do not clutter the forum with comments until we close submissions.



#267855 Seasonal/Choose Days of Flights

Posted by N664US on 05 May 2018 - 10:31 PM in Suggestions and Feature Requests

Perhaps this will be implemented in the future when the capability is there. AE currently doesn't have the ability to calculate seasonal demand, so instead, I believe it shows it as being year-round which removes the whole point of seasonal flights. If seasonality is implemented in the future, then I could see a case for it.

 

Choosing days also requires a feature that either simply doesn't exist, or would require a change to implement. In the case of AE, this is scheduling, which currently is basically hours/week. Demand doesn't really care what day they're flying there and back (it's basically consistent every day), so all that's really necessary is a basic flights/week thing. Adding specific dates in which a flight would be would require a major change — instead of just figuring out how many hours a flight takes up and using basic subtraction, you'd also need to figure out what days a flight is flying, schedule each individual aircraft day by day or hour by hour ensuring that flights can operate non-consistent everyday schedules, and do the same thing for fleets of hundreds of aircraft, dramatically increasing calculations. Some sims like Airlinesim have managed to do this, but considering they're a paid program which operates in real-time, they can allow for this. I have no idea how we'd implement this into AE. 




#273060 My first Livery

Posted by N664US on 16 October 2018 - 10:54 PM in Designer Showcase

I'm rather a fan of the whole "brand revival" thing. I like the choice to keep the classic Olympic look: the rings and the majestic dark blue color. 

 

My only suggestion would be to find a way to take over the blank space at the front and center of the fuselage. Maybe try a minimalist "rings-only" type-aspect and see how that looks? 




#265831 Mixed Aircraft Fleets

Posted by N664US on 11 March 2018 - 02:21 AM in New Players and Questions

If you read above I'm not trying to change A/C types, just adding another. Also I don't want to go after smaller jets as I'm trying to keep my maintenance down as much as possible so I can charge less on routes. I'd be interested in order the A321 for trans-atlantic routes in the future maybe, but I don't really want to go larger than the A319

 

You seem to be really focused on the 100- to 130-seat market, and in your game, it is fall 2000. If you're adamant about avoiding the Airbus A320 family because of its size, but don't want regional jets, I'd recommend the 717-200. It has a max capacity of 134 (around that of the 737-600), and it has a shorter turnaround time, less runway use, and a much lower price and roughly the same fuel flow (depending on which engines you pick). It ends production in 2007, but for now, it should be a good aircraft with less of a maintenance cost.




#265814 Mixed Aircraft Fleets

Posted by N664US on 10 March 2018 - 09:24 PM in New Players and Questions

Considering that you have a hub in Boston and occupy 13 gates, I personally would begin to consider building a terminal but hold some reservations. 

 

Building a terminal is very cost effective: the amount you spend on gate leasing fees is dramatically reduced (instead of like $300k per gate, it's about $150-200k in total times the number of expansions you've made). 

 

I'll provide my hub of Minneapolis as an example: I used to have 25 gates leased, with a total monthly leasing cost of about $20 million / month. I replaced it with a 28-gate terminal for about $115 million upfront, and my cost of operation went down to $160,000. I've expanded it twice, so I'm paying about $480,000 / month now ($160,000 times 3 total expansions/buildings), but overall I'm still saving a lot.

 

The problem arises when you are a smaller airline — sure, a terminal will reduce the amount of money you spend per month, but there's a large upfront cost that will take some airlines many weeks, months, or even years to collect, especially if operating out of a large airport like Boston. Leasing gates can also provide for more flexibility, in which you don't have to build a costly expansion everytime you need more slots. I'd personally recommend that you wait until you occupy around 20 gates, then build a terminal with around 25 to allow for some more expansion. Note that there is a flat expansion cost added to the number of gates you want to add — try to have as few gate expansions as possible. 




#265383 Making a clean, crisp livery.

Posted by N664US on 06 March 2018 - 05:16 AM in Logo / Livery Requests

I have to agree with Vision on this one. I remember that about a year ago I had the same resources and templates that I had now, but with a lot less patience to get things done. I eventually began pushing out liveries, but they were jagged, rough, and downright ugly things (I guess the same could also be said for my current gallery). Only when I reformed my livery creation process did I get satisfactory results.

First and foremost: think about the brand first. A livery is meant to be a large vizualization of a brand and what it stands for. AusJet doesn’t really look like much, aside from a kangaroo. From looking at it, I can’t tell if it wants to be an LCC, legacy, flag carrier, or hybrid airline. Air Pacific, on the other hand, is a good example of thinking about the brand first. You can tell precisely what you’re trying to represent and what the brand is all about. Having a set brand allows you to “tune in” on what you want to put in the livery, making it crispier. If you look at Internederland or Oceanic, for example, you find that the refined and minute qualities they have, along with the careful and concise use of colour put off an air of authority and premiumness, exactly what you’d look for in a flag carrier or major airline.

Second: think about originality. AusJet (a mix of Qantas and.JetStar) and Mountaineer (a toned-down Frontier) both lack the originality needed to really make the livery shine. Otherwise, you’re just going to fidn yourself “boxed in” to what the real-life livery looks like. Once again, I look at Air Pacific, agruably the most “original” livery you’ve presented. It’s got a set message that you’ve created for yourself and that you can allow to stretch any way you want. Creativity and originality are key in making a crisp livery; otherwise, you just have a knock-off. Names like Vanguard and Columbia were original, never-before seen ideas, allowing the corporate identity (and livery) to prosper.

Third: look at colours. One of the key ways to get attention and to make your liveries stand out is using colours — sometimes, like with Spirit Airlines or Air Asia, this means using bright yellows and reds. But it doesn’t always have to be that way. Looking at Mountaineer, I mainly see one colour: green. It doesn’t really pop out or contrast with other colours, and it’s kind of dull on its own, preventing the eyes from fully absorbing the livery. Freedom Airlines, on the other hand, is beginning to get there. Multiple distinct colours with high contrast make the eyes wander and absorb. It does, however, have a case of the “eurowhites” — just like modern liveries (lookin’ at Air France and the new Lufthansa), having too much white makes your liveries dull and boring. Staring at a mostly blank sheet of paper has the same effect, not because the colour white itself is boring but because there’s nothing interesting going on. If you look at the tail of Freedom, the stripes allow the eyes to look up and down, then focus on the logo and extraneous details. You want that, but for the entire livery. The crispiest liveries are always ones that never bore you —look at the bright colours of Amstelair or the soothing tones of New England’s blues next to each other as an example.

Fourth: Take time. Make some rough sketches first before you even reach for the computer so you can quickly run through dozens of ideas instead of handcrafting a few logos and giving up. Before you move on to a different step (making the logo, thinking of names, changing the time period, changing the class of service or country), make sure that your previous work is the best it can be. Rushing leads to mistakes, and mistakes leads to sloppiness and blandness. If you look at brands like Midamerican or NAA, you find that they don’t release new things very often, and are some of the oldest galleries here. The actual time and effort used in crafting liveries perfectly means that, although you won’t be pumping out liveries at the speed of light and may not be on the first page of the gallery all the time, you will get a better, crisper, and cleaner result.

Finally: look for inspiration. If you are really stuck, try looking up similar airlines or ones from roughly the same time period to get an idea of wha tou want to make. You obviously can’t take their idea pixel-for-pixel, but you can take the ideas, concepts, and brainstorms from earlier sessions and combine them with these insiprations to make something new. There’s no such thing as a completely original idea — everythinf is borrowed at least a little bit from somewhere else.

I sincerely hope this helps you!



#265352 Making a clean, crisp livery.

Posted by N664US on 05 March 2018 - 11:17 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

Could you provide an example of your works? It's much easier to try and fix things when you can see what can be improved.




#271251 Logo design | Help

Posted by N664US on 10 August 2018 - 09:00 PM in Logo / Livery Requests

I'm no professional, but I have a few steps when it comes to brand creation.

 

Step 1: Research Real-World Airlines.

No one likes an airline that doesn't fit the country it's supposed to be based in, whether that's because it's based solely off of stereotypes or if it's because it looks like it's from somewhere else (ie. the "ME3 look" in anywhere that isn't, well, the Middle East). Wikipedia lists like "List of Defunct Airlines of xxx" and "List of Airlines of xxx" are always a good start to get a grasp of how the aviation industry of the area has been shaped. Looking at past brands can give you a feel of what you want your airline to look like, prevent yourself from accidentally making a near-copy of a pre-existing airline, and ensure that your brand has the right "feel."

 

Step 2: Research Your Country.

If you're thinking about making a flag carrier, it's always best to make a brand that reflects something about the government of the country (seals, flags, national ensigns, etc.). If you're making a low-cost carrier, think about taking something associated with the country and twisting it to look "fresh" or "new." Remember what you've seen in Step 1 to make sure this airline doesn't end up being too cliché. This is also where you can think of potential names.

 

Step 3: Research the Period.

This is especially applicable if you're making a livery from the past, but even then still applicable for modern liveries. Searches for things like "Edinburgh Airport 2005" or "JFK Airport 2005" are nice for this, because you get to see a variety of brands on time-applicable aircraft and see how certain regions aim for certain styles on their liveries. 

 

Step 3: Sketch a Logo.

I know what you're thinking. N664US, I make brands on my computer. Why do I need paper for this? Paper is great, if only because you have an eraser for your mistakes and it's easy to change things so you know what you're looking for. Use the ideas you got from Steps 1+2 and make a draft logo. It doesn't have to look perfect, just neat enough that you like how it looks. Also, know that this is where creativity comes in. If you want a moose, for example, don't just make a photo-realistic moose with antlers and all. Try going for something stylised (just the head and antlers, for example) if that appeals to you. Call me crazy, but I like to apply the vexillology rules for a good flag to aid me in creating logos. It's nice to Google things like "bird logo" or something like that for inspiration, but should not be a source for stealing logos.

 

Step 4: Bring it to Life.

Here's where you pull out the computer. Try making your logo on a computer now. Be sure, however, to use only one colour (black or white). That way, you can see what it looks like in monochrome and make sure it will work in applications real-world airlines will use as well (boarding passes, signs, etc.). If it's too complex or uses too many colours, chances are it won't work in monochrome.

 

Step 5: Perfect Your Logo.

When you're pleased with what you've done, try adding a splash of colour. You can use websites like coolors.co to find nice colour palettes that work well with each other. Try using only a few colours for your airlines, and ones that complement each other. Most brands (Delta, American, British Airways, Air France, KLM, etc.) only use one or two colours when they create their full-colour logos.

 

Step 6: Look for Fonts.

This is a difficult step. Using font websites like dafont.com, try looking for fonts that "fit" your brand. Once you have a name at hand to accompany your logo, download a few test fonts to see if there's one you like. Make sure it can be read from a distance and fits the same "style" of your logo. I don't really know how to describe it, but there's a moment when things just "click" together and it looks good. Remember that you want to make sure that the font fits the time and colour choices you made earlier, and look to what you saw in Step 3 for time-applicable fonts. 

 

I'm not sure how applicable this would be for you, but this is all I have. It's gotten me far enough to get things like Danske and Algérien, and I'm sure it can help you too. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.




#273355 Logo and livery for Japan International Airlines (JIA)

Posted by N664US on 24 October 2018 - 05:31 AM in Logo / Livery Requests

you should ask oggey




#265299 [WITHDRAWN] Application | N664US

Posted by N664US on 05 March 2018 - 05:55 AM in Application Hall

I formally withdraw my application to the National Alliance due to inactivity and a lack of response. I sincerely apologise and with the National Alliance the best of luck in their endeavours.

 

Cheers,

N664US