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[Maestro69]

Not a bug, but a suggestion: I think it would be nice to see both load factors (O&D, connecting) on the "current routes" page.

Actually, instead of the current route page, on the individual route page for an airline's route, it should show how many passengers are O/D and how many passengers are connecting. That would be much better, than just massing info on the current routes page.

[Bigfoot]

Well I made Geneva my hub. And I didn't notice any difference, other then that of other competitors

Also for me no connecting passengers at all.

On the route GVA-CDG (geneva-paris), cunard is I think testing something out. he has wel over the 20 flights. But i'm also making a good money on that route with just two flights. Also if i use the reaserch tool it shows that there is some amount of connecting traffic. But that is not flying with me, somehow.

Aircraft; Bombardier Q400 United Technologies PW150A
Seats;74
Speed; 359
Block Time ;0:00 <--- it should take longer ?
Cost to Fly Route; $2,999
O & D;92.6% <-------------------|
Load Factor Connecting;7.4% |--- these are the same and with conecting it is 100%
Load Factor Total; 92.6% <----|
Load Factor Revenues; $49,212
Profit ; $46,212

[highspeed]

I am currently changing all my MAD routes so that they have 80% O&D passengers. On some routes this is hard to achieve, because I have more than one plane on such a route. Equal planes, equal age, equal ticket price, different results...



MAD customers:948.38
MRS customers:222.96
Game capacity adjustment: %230

Total Daily Customers: 599
Total Capacity: 740
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 599
Initial Equilibrium Price: 643.64
Average Ticket Price: 680.00
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 423
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 667.76
Final Equilibrium Price: 667.76
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: 376

Aircraft: Bombardier Q400
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 680.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 476.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 385.56 | Frequencies: 10
Adjusted Price for Prop: 443.39
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %30.9
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 580.28
Adjusted Price for Age: 580.28
O & D Load Factor: 86%
Hub Passengers: 31,448
Spoke Passengers: 223
Connecting Passengers: 715
Connecting Stretch: 268
Connecting Equi: 760
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 14.3%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 14.3%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,323
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 807
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 31%
O&D Revenues: 43,107
Connecting Revenues: 2,204
Total Revenues: 226,557

Aircraft: Bombardier Q400
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 680.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 476.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 385.56 | Frequencies: 10
Adjusted Price for Prop: 443.39
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %30.9
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 580.28
Adjusted Price for Age: 580.28
O & D Load Factor: 84%
Hub Passengers: 31,448
Spoke Passengers: 223
Connecting Passengers: 715
Connecting Stretch: 268
Connecting Equi: 760
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 16.2%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 16.2%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,323
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 807
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 31%
O&D Revenues: 42,167
Connecting Revenues: 2,492
Total Revenues: 223,295



According to memory, AE passengers don't care how they get "there". They want a seat, and they are willing to pay a price, but it doesn't matter if they travel 10 hours or just 3.
So, why not add up all seats an airline has on a certain route, and determine a price for the whole batch in one go? One price, one profit, for the total. Then divide the revenues pro rata, subtract cost per plane, and end up with profits per plane.

[highspeed]

I tried this multiple times, with different ticket prices.
The O&D LF reported on this route for this plane is nowhere near
accurate. Notice: 72% changes into 83%


Before "Update route":

FCO customers:1004.61
MAD customers:948.38
Game capacity adjustment: %230

Total Daily Customers: 2,574
Total Capacity: 17401
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 2,574
Initial Equilibrium Price: 2,630.86
Average Ticket Price: 1,989.59
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 1,806
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 2,469.33
Final Equilibrium Price: 2,469.33
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: -3,136

Aircraft: Airbus A380
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 1,940.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 2,037.00 | Frequencies: 2
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %19.6
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 2,436.71
Adjusted Price for Age: 2,436.71
O & D Load Factor: 72%
Hub Passengers: 33,676
Spoke Passengers: 948
Connecting Passengers: 3,259
Connecting Stretch: 1,138
Connecting Equi: 3,316
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 27.6%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 27.6%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,323
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 816
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 50%
O&D Revenues: 709,070
Connecting Revenues: 135,519
Total Revenues: 1,689,178
--------------------------------------------------------------
Load Factor - %100.00

Projected Revenue - $1,689,178

Projected Profit - $1,529,153



After "update route":

Aircraft: Airbus A380
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 1,940.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 2,037.00 | Frequencies: 2
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %19.6
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 2,436.71
Adjusted Price for Age: 2,436.71
O & D Load Factor: 83%
Hub Passengers: 35,696
Spoke Passengers: 948
Connecting Passengers: 3,454
Connecting Stretch: 1,138
Connecting Equi: 3,512
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 16.6%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 16.6%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,323
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 816
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 50%
O&D Revenues: 816,712
Connecting Revenues: 81,613
Total Revenues: 1,796,651

[highspeed]

Another problem. One boeing flies 4 times, the other 8.
All other properties are exactly the same.

If this would be real life, I couldn't care less which of the
two (equal!) planes I got on. All I know is the airline flies one route
12 times a day.

I tried resetting the price (from 1400 to 1400) and the problem
got worse, I now have 20% and 90% direct LF


Aircraft: Boeing 737-900
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 1,400.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 1,134.00 | Frequencies: 12
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %45.5
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 1,649.47
Adjusted Price for Age: 1,649.47
O & D Load Factor: 20%
Hub Passengers: 31,152
Spoke Passengers: 605
Connecting Passengers: 1,924
Connecting Stretch: 726
Connecting Equi: 1,959
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 79.9%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 79.9%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,323
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 817
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 18%
O&D Revenues: 49,821
Connecting Revenues: 36,314
Total Revenues: 689,085

Aircraft: Boeing 737-900
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 1,400.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 1,134.00 | Frequencies: 12
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %22.7
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 1,391.74
Adjusted Price for Age: 1,391.74
O & D Load Factor: 90%
Hub Passengers: 31,152
Spoke Passengers: 605
Connecting Passengers: 1,924
Connecting Stretch: 726
Connecting Equi: 1,959
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 9.7%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 9.7%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,323
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 817
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 18%
O&D Revenues: 223,753
Connecting Revenues: 4,411
Total Revenues: 912,655

[Bigfoot]

FCO customers:1004.61
MAD customers:948.38
Game capacity adjustment: %230

Total Daily Customers: 2,574<---
Total Capacity: 17401<---
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 2,574
-------------------------------------------------------------
Load Factor - %100.00

Projected Revenue - $1,689,178

Projected Profit - $1,529,153

This doesn't look right according the rules of economics.

total capacity exceeds the demand 8 times and still you'll get a full plane

[highspeed]

Difference between "Research route possibilities" and really opening a route confirmed. For instance a Q400 on DUS-VKO:

While researching:

DUS customers:624.12
VKO customers:187.36
Game capacity adjustment: %231

Total Daily Customers: 351
Total Capacity: 0
Customers adjusted for below market demand: 828.67
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 804
Initial Equilibrium Price: 875.32
Equilibrium Price Adjusted for Long Distance: 1,018
Average Ticket Price: 0.00
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 455
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 1,018.32
Final Equilibrium Price: 1,018.32
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: 723

Aircraft: Bombardier Q400
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 1,070.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 749.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 786.45 | Frequencies: 2
Adjusted Price for Prop: 904.42
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %9.2
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 987.68
Adjusted Price for Age: 987.68
O & D Load Factor: 80%
Hub Passengers: 101,266
Spoke Passengers: 187
Connecting Passengers: 1,936
Connecting Stretch: 225
Connecting Equi: 2,008
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 19.7%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 19.7%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 5,673
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 816
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 55%
O&D Revenues: 63,557
Connecting Revenues: 8,555
Total Revenues: 144,224

when actually opened this route (needed to update price because the information after creating disappears due to reload):

DUS customers:624.12
VKO customers:187.36
Game capacity adjustment: %231

Total Daily Customers: 351
Total Capacity: 148
Customers adjusted for below market demand: 627.56
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 609
Initial Equilibrium Price: 680.23
Equilibrium Price Adjusted for Long Distance: 823
Average Ticket Price: 1,070.00
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 390
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 876.42
Final Equilibrium Price: 876.42
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: 544

Aircraft: Bombardier Q400
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 1,070.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 749.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 786.45 | Frequencies: 2
Adjusted Price for Prop: 904.42
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %12.2
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 1,014.36
Adjusted Price for Age: 1,014.36
O & D Load Factor: 21%
Hub Passengers: 101,562
Spoke Passengers: 187
Connecting Passengers: 1,942
Connecting Stretch: 225
Connecting Equi: 2,013
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 79.3%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 79.3%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 5,673
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 823
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 55%
O&D Revenues: 16,370
Connecting Revenues: 34,350
Total Revenues: 101,442

To actually get 80% LF, I need a lower price:

Aircraft: Bombardier Q400
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 810.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 567.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 595.35 | Frequencies: 2
Adjusted Price for Prop: 684.65
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %12.2
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 767.88
Adjusted Price for Age: 767.88
O & D Load Factor: 80%
Hub Passengers: 101,562
Spoke Passengers: 187
Connecting Passengers: 1,942
Connecting Stretch: 225
Connecting Equi: 2,013
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 19.5%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 19.5%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 5,673
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 823
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 55%
O&D Revenues: 48,236
Connecting Revenues: 6,401
Total Revenues: 109,274

[Pacific]

___ customers:525.88
___ customers:1016.35
Game capacity adjustment: %231

Total Daily Customers: 1,457
Total Capacity: 358
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 1,107
Initial Equilibrium Price: 1,242.18
Equilibrium Price Adjusted for Long Distance: 1,512
Average Ticket Price: 2,200.00
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 895
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 1,421.72
Final Equilibrium Price: 1,421.72
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: 1,145

Aircraft: Airbus A330-300
Initial Ticket Price for _____: 2,200.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 1,540.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 1,694.00 | Frequencies: 1
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %16.2
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 1,967.88
Adjusted Price for Age: 1,967.88
O & D Load Factor: 9%
Hub Passengers: 34,410
Spoke Passengers: 526
Connecting Passengers: 1,846
Connecting Stretch: 1,220
Connecting Equi: 1,982
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 91.1%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 91.1%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 254
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 236
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 12,057%
O&D Revenues: 70,142
Connecting Revenues: 86,504,321
Total Revenues: 86,574,463
--------------------------------------------------------------


O & D Load Factor: %8.91

Connecting Load Factor: %91.09

Projected Revenue: $86,574,463

Projected Profit: $86,406,113

A non-hub to a hub route. This is very weird. Projected revenue of $86mill has to be wrong for a roundtrip on an A330, with a ticket price of $2,200.

After creating the route, the actual revenue is a little over 600k @ 100% LF. However, with a cost to fly of less than 200k, 600k is now too low!

($2,200 x 358) x 2 = $1,575,200 in revenues. Surely, it cannot cost $900,000 to keep an A330-300 in the air for 20 hours or so.

[UAL747DEN]

Highspeed,
If you kept going up with the price you would have made more because your connecting load would have gone up. The way to make more is to get rid of the O&D Pax and get more connecting pax............... Weird

[Pacific]

___ customers:525.88
___ customers:1130.85
Game capacity adjustment: %231

Total Daily Customers: 1,619
Total Capacity: 358
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 1,279
Initial Equilibrium Price: 1,411.97
Equilibrium Price Adjusted for Long Distance: 1,677
Average Ticket Price: 1,700.00
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 952
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 1,573.05
Final Equilibrium Price: 1,573.05
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: 1,259

Aircraft: Airbus A330-300
Initial Ticket Price for _____: 1,700.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 1,190.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 1,309.00 | Frequencies: 1
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %14.0
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 1,492.14
Adjusted Price for Age: 1,492.14
O & D Load Factor: 96%
Hub Passengers: 19,524
Spoke Passengers: 526
Connecting Passengers: 1,048
Connecting Stretch: 1,357
Connecting Equi: 1,180
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 4.4%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 4.4%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 4,559
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 363
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 98%
O&D Revenues: 581,782
Connecting Revenues: 26,293
Total Revenues: 608,075
--------------------------------------------------------------


O & D Load Factor: %95.59

Connecting Load Factor: %4.41

Projected Revenue: $608,075

Projected Profit: $445,200

This is a non-hub to non-hub route but the destination is one of the airports which I've trashed from a hub.

It is interesting to see connecting loadfactors on a "focus city".

[Bigfoot]

I have some connecting traffic after i deployed a new route from my hub to a non hub. the route i had before i made GVA a hub aren't getting any connecting's

[travelhouse]

I have some connecting traffic after i deployed a new route from my hub to a non hub. the route i had before i made GVA a hub aren't getting any connecting's

It is reported within this thread, you just have to wait for Miller to view the post and he will make alterations

[Bigfoot]

It is reported within this thread, you just have to wait for Miller to view the post and he will make alterations

An other finding is that if you change the ticket price on routes that you flown before you made the hub. They will also get connecting pax. beside this i could raiseall the prices due to more custumors. I originaly had about 435K profit on routes out my hub. After raising all the prices that figure gone up by about 100K$ to 545K

[Southeast Central Inc.]

Hey, i was trying to purchase 20 739's today , i had the cash and all but after i clicked confirm purchase, i got a Hacker Alert, IP Tracked, and i was unable to make the purchase. But then i tryed it with 10 and it let me order, is this abug? or limitation? thx guys

[travelhouse]

Hey, i was trying to purchase 20 739's today , i had the cash and all but after i clicked confirm purchase, i got a Hacker Alert, IP Tracked, and i was unable to make the purchase. But then i tryed it with 10 and it let me order, is this abug? or limitation? thx guys

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[travelhouse]

http://forums.airlin....ghlight=hacker

[bmiandy]

when is the beta game going to close and is it going to be closed for good and go back to the original game on the original server.

[Maestro69]

when is the beta game going to close and is it going to be closed for good and go back to the original game on the original server.

The current game is still running. Miller put the beta version of AE up so people could test the LF script. If the Beta closes, the current game will still continue.

[highspeed]

Highspeed,
If you kept going up with the price you would have made more because your connecting load would have gone up. The way to make more is to get rid of the O&D Pax and get more connecting pax............... Weird

depends on the route.

[StephenM]

when is the beta game going to close and is it going to be closed for good and go back to the original game on the original server.

Nothing has changed just an optional new game.