hi
Kinda confused here, what makes an airline a spamliner? Also, is my airline a spamliner?
I'm pretty sure a spamliner is an airline that operates a low demand route with aircraft that have lots of seats, like an A380. For example, a spamliner would operate a route with only 10 demand, for example, using an A380 with all economy seats, establish hubs on both sides of the route (for connecting pax), then set the ticket price to $1. I think that's how it works.
I'm pretty sure a spamliner is an airline that operates a low demand route with aircraft that have lots of seats, like an A380. For example, a spamliner would operate a route with only 10 demand, for example, using an A380 with all economy seats, establish hubs on both sides of the route (for connecting pax), then set the ticket price to $1. I think that's how it works.
Not always, they could be unrealistic airlines who flew Soviet aircrafts in 2020 in the US or Daily Utilization of aircrafts at 19+ hours or have aircrafts that are 30-40 years old.
too true.
Last time I checked, UAL didnt operate the 747-400M and most certaintly did not operate the Boeing 737-300 in a 2/15/105 configuration, nor did they operate the ATR42/72 and CRJ200 at a mainline level.
Bro is out here complaining about the same airlines he is a part of
Bro has a CRJ-200 with a single first class seat 
Bro has a CRJ-200 with a single first class seat
last time i checked United didn't have a hub in Anchorage
I want my gays illegal and my racism married
Kinda confused here, what makes an airline a spamliner? Also, is my airline a spamliner?
No, your American Airlines is not a spamline. 600-700 aircraft is about right for the routes you have. You're just a constant expansionist, which is how most people play the game
Not always, they could be unrealistic airlines who flew Soviet aircrafts in 2020 in the US or Daily Utilization of aircrafts at 19+ hours or have aircrafts that are 30-40 years old.
Not a spamline tho, just a lack of realism in their playstyle. Old aircraft do add up maint. costs, so its not an advantageous thing to do necessarily
Not a spamline tho, just a lack of realism in their playstyle. Old aircraft do add up maint. costs, so its not an advantageous thing to do necessarily
It is spamline. This is not for you to decide. It's for the Admin and creator of the game to decide.
You keep ignoring the daily utilization rate close to 19 hours. Which is impossible in real life. That is spamming.
It is spamline. This is not for you to decide. It's for the Admin and creator of the game to decide.
You keep ignoring the daily utilization rate close to 19 hours. Which is impossible in real life. That is spamming.
So Ryanair is a spamline? It's common for LCCs to use every hour they can of their planes. 4 or 5 hours a day for maintenance (on average, which is 28-35 hrs/week) is enough for regular maintenance. AE doesn't factor in A and D checks (or cancelled flights), so, atleast from what I understand, 19hrs/day or ~130 hrs a week is realistic for what features AE has.
Even so, an unrealistic airline is not automatically a spamline.
and has any admin/creator defined spamlining?
So Ryanair is a spamline? It's common for LCCs to use every hour they can of their planes. 4 or 5 hours a day for maintenance (on average, which is 28-35 hrs/week) is enough for regular maintenance. AE doesn't factor in A and D checks (or cancelled flights), so, atleast from what I understand, 19hrs/day or ~130 hrs a week is realistic for what features AE has.
Even so, an unrealistic airline is not automatically a spamline.
and has any admin/creator defined spamlining?
Why would you lie like that? Everyone could go to google and see your lies.
Ryanair have Average Daily Flight Hour Utilization of around 9.1 hours per day.
https://airwaysmag.c...ft-utilization/
Stop with these stupid lies. Please....
https://web.mit.edu/...wbody Fleet.htm
https://web.mit.edu/...ating Fleet.htm
According to this source, 9.1 is not very high...
Frontier even averaged more than 20hrs in 2002, which is beyond AE's limit!
and remember, this is WITH technical problems, groundings, cancellations and A,D checks factored in, which, again, AE does not have
to be fair, I didn't know the figures, I just knew that it was a strategy some LCCs used and assumed Ryanair was included
https://web.mit.edu/...wbody Fleet.htm
https://web.mit.edu/...ating Fleet.htm
According to this source, 9.1 is not very high...
Frontier even averaged more than 20hrs in 2002, which is beyond AE's limit!
and remember, this is WITH technical problems, groundings, cancellations and A,D checks factored in, which, again, AE does not have
to be fair, I didn't know the figures, I just knew that it was a strategy some LCCs used and assumed Ryanair was included
Where did you get those data? How did Frontier able to achieve aircraft utilization rate of 226.68 hours?
https://web.mit.edu/...wbody Fleet.htm
https://web.mit.edu/...ating Fleet.htm
According to this source, 9.1 is not very high...
Frontier even averaged more than 20hrs in 2002, which is beyond AE's limit!
and remember, this is WITH technical problems, groundings, cancellations and A,D checks factored in, which, again, AE does not have
to be fair, I didn't know the figures, I just knew that it was a strategy some LCCs used and assumed Ryanair was included
I'm gonna use FRONTIER'S own number instead:
"Average daily aircraft utilization increased to 11.1 hours per day in the third quarter of 2022, with a further improvement to over 11.5 hours per day expected in the fourth quarter as operations continue to normalize through the travel recovery."
https://www.globenew...travel recovery.
Some more data for other airlines: Start at Page 25.
https://core.ac.uk/d...f/223022182.pdf
Where did you get those data? How did Frontier able to achieve aircraft utilization rate of 226.68 hours?
https://web.mit.edu/...ft&Related.html
I'm gonna use FRONTIER'S own number instead:
"Average daily aircraft utilization increased to 11.1 hours per day in the third quarter of 2022, with a further improvement to over 11.5 hours per day expected in the fourth quarter as operations continue to normalize through the travel recovery."
https://www.globenew...travel recovery.
Some more data for other airlines: Start at Page 25.
Again, you're ignoring the fact that AE doesn't include factors that would drop a real airline's utilization down.
Also, unlike AE, I believe most real hub-spoke airlines plan their flights for connecting PAX (they schedule most flights to land around a certain time, and take off a certain time later), which would also drop average utilisation down as some routes are shorter than others, so the aircraft could potentially be sitting at the destination airport for hours.
Besides all that, what I am trying to say is - you can't define an airline as a "spamline" if they use all the hours of their aircraft, because AE doesn't have most of the mechanics that would insentivise not doing so. (ofc there is "on time performance", but that's just a reputation stat and doesn't change anything with the operation of the aircaft). It's the most efficient way to operate your aircraft profit-wise, wiith almost no consequences.Only role-playing or repuation airlines would do so, and I don't think it's right that you ask everyone to play like that.
https://www.lawinsid...aft-utilization
Again, you're ignoring the fact that AE doesn't include factors that would drop a real airline's utilization down.
Also, unlike AE, I believe most real hub-spoke airlines plan their flights for connecting PAX (they schedule most flights to land around a certain time, and take off a certain time later), which would also drop average utilisation down as some routes are shorter than others, so the aircraft could potentially be sitting at the destination airport for hours.
Besides all that, what I am trying to say is - you can't define an airline as a "spamline" if they use all the hours of their aircraft, because AE doesn't have most of the mechanics that would insentivise not doing so. (ofc there is "on time performance", but that's just a reputation stat and doesn't change anything with the operation of the aircaft). It's the most efficient way to operate your aircraft profit-wise, wiith almost no consequences.Only role-playing or repuation airlines would do so, and I don't think it's right that you ask everyone to play like that.
But that is the consideration you gotta take as a player to run a realistic airlines. Reducing utilization rate by reducing the number of flights for each aircraft you operate.
Realistic players always do that. Also, diving into all of these players who complain about spamlines. They operate unrealistic number of aircrafts in their fleet, setting up unrealistic hubs and routes, using unrealistic seating configurations, etc.
You cannot ignore everything else they did and just said "everyone has different opinion". At some point, these airlines they operate are soo unrealistic.
I don't think you get it, the responsibility is yours to make your airlines realistic. Not AE.
But that is the consideration you gotta take as a player to run a realistic airlines. Reducing utilization rate by reducing the number of flights for each aircraft you operate.
Realistic players always do that. Also, diving into all of these players who complain about spamlines. They operate unrealistic number of aircrafts in their fleet, setting up unrealistic hubs and routes, using unrealistic seating configurations, etc.
You cannot ignore everything else they did and just said "everyone has different opinion". At some point, these airlines they operate are soo unrealistic.
I don't think you get it, the responsibility is yours to make your airlines realistic. Not AE.
No where in AE's rules does it say that you have to operate a realistic airline.
What I was trying to say is that if AE had more realistic consequences, people would natually make their airlines more realistic because it would be the best way to run it .Not saying AE should be realistic, just pointing out the reason people fly their aircraft for 19hrs a day is because it's beneficial in AE, where in wouldn't be in the real world.
Personally, I define an airline as a 'spamline' when it abuses connecting pax and IFS income, and when the airline orders most types of aircraft to get as much seats delivered monthly as possible, "spamming" routes.
I do use my aircraft entirely, and open a lot of routes which don't exsist in the real world, but I only match the demand. A lot of that demand wouldn't exist in the real world, but again I'm making my airline efficient in AE, where it would probably not be in the real world.
But that is the consideration you gotta take as a player to run a realistic airlines. Reducing utilization rate by reducing the number of flights for each aircraft you operate.
Realistic players always do that. Also, diving into all of these players who complain about spamlines. They operate unrealistic number of aircrafts in their fleet, setting up unrealistic hubs and routes, using unrealistic seating configurations, etc.
You cannot ignore everything else they did and just said "everyone has different opinion". At some point, these airlines they operate are soo unrealistic.
I don't think you get it, the responsibility is yours to make your airlines realistic. Not AE.
Though I guess what you're say is, is that people with unrealistic airlines shouldn't complain about other people spamlining, which is fair if you categorize any unrealistic airline as a spamline.
Our disagreement comes from our different definitions of a spamline.
No where in AE's rules does it say that you have to operate a realistic airline.
What I was trying to say is that if AE had more realistic consequences, people would natually make their airlines more realistic because it would be the best way to run it .Not saying AE should be realistic, just pointing out the reason people fly their aircraft for 19hrs a day is because it's beneficial in AE, where in wouldn't be in the real world.
Personally, I define an airline as a 'spamline' when it abuses connecting pax and IFS income, and when the airline orders most types of aircraft to get as much seats delivered monthly as possible, "spamming" routes.
I do use my aircraft entirely, and open a lot of routes which don't exsist in the real world, but I only match the demand. A lot of that demand wouldn't exist in the real world, but again I'm making my airline efficient in AE, where it would probably not be in the real world.
Well I'm not the one who complain about how other players about their airlines. You gotta take it up with these people, not me.
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lmfao, the user which is leading a mock debate about unrealistic airplane hours operating 3,5 747-400D per hour round the clock stocked with 660 Y pax to BOO per $1. Means, the complete pouplation being flewn in and out the city per day. Don't let you get distracted by his arguments. To be fair, you can be unrealistic but the way he plays the game is clearly just to destroy the game and fool the "losery".. sorry .. players. Might there just to show the weaknesses of game dynamics. Nothing more nothing less. It's clearly just a sad internet troll. Someday he will surely get bored. Until then, just forget continental europe to S4B.
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lmfao, the user which is leading a mock debate about unrealistic airplane hours operating 3,5 747-400D per hour round the clock stocked with 660 Y pax to BOO per $1. Means, the complete pouplation being flewn in and out the city per day. Don't let you get distracted by his arguments. To be fair, you can be unrealistic but the way he plays the game is clearly just to destroy the game and fool the "losers".. sorry .. players. Might there just to show the weaknesses of game dynamics. Nothing more nothing less. It's clearly just a sad internet troll. Someday he will surely get bored. Until then, just forget continental europe to S4B.
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