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[bAnderson]

Why can't it be a business? It's a free market here in America, and people like you are trying to make it into a socialist economy. Socialism is a stepping stone to the communist ideal. But there are lots of problems with that.

 

I have a quote from an Eastern European who has experienced Communism/Socialism. It's a pretty powerful statement and I think this is how you should be educating yourselves. I'll give it to you.

 

"I did live in one of the Eastern European communist countries.

 

You can discuss your heads off and you will not know what it really is. There are some jokers online who compare the American Conservative movement to the Communists, but they are just lunatics. Communists were killing and subjugating people to a horrendous way of life. You had no opportunities, no hope, and you could be killed for no reason in the name of communism.

 

Nobody kills people for political opinions in the USA.

 

Socialism is the first step to the communist 'nirvana'. Socialists allow for some capitalist activity to maintain somewhat healthy economies but control the capitalist at every step.

 

Both socialism and communism are deviated systems where some bureaucrat tells you how to live, what to drive, what to buy, and where to work.

 

... [In the topic they were talking about Nazis and Stalin, so I emitted it]

 

All of you should be very careful embracing socialism. It will for sure lead to atrocities. Because you would give the decision of everything to the bureaucrat or the fellow traveling politician. Do not be a useful idiot, who helps socialism to be instilled in the free society, because after it is in power you will be the first to go. If you think it cannot happen here, watch out. Socialists of Western Europe are slouching to the communist dictatorship of the 'masses' and there will be no return.

 

Socialists/Communists will always deny reality of their systems. And when eliminated they spew lies and hysteria about the opposition. General Pinochet in Chile was ruthless, but only to communists (about 3500), which was a good lesson for the world to see how you deal with the perverse cancer of socialism on any society. Communist regimes were ruthless to innocent people and have a tally of about 200,000,000 (200 million) on their hands. So rather than discussing pros and cons, look at the reality of what socialists have in store for people in the Historical context.

 

This is the only thing that socialists were good at: Killing innocent people in the name of socialism/communism/Marxism.

 

I know. I experienced their wrath"

 

 

[Stevphfeniey]

I take it you've or your family have never been in medical debt. 

 

Let's just say cancer treatment is extremely expensive... one might say the weight of it on a family's finances is oppressive. 

[eastwind]

[Stevphfeniey]

You can't put a price on Freedom™.

 

But you can put a price on a human life. About $10,000 a month if it's cancer treatment. $200,000 a year if it's hemophilia drugs. About $3000 if it's a 10 mile ambulance ride. $1 million if it's a heart transplant.

 

I can go on all day. 

 

Individuals are clearly unable to afford these on their own. As a community and a nation we can. If you're too selfish to take an extra 3% taken out of your paycheck (which is what I'd get taken out if Colorado passes their universal healthcare ballot initiative this fall) to ensure that everybody can have these treatments without worrying about a million dollars of debt, then please stop saying you care about all lives. 

[Chad C. Chaddington X]

Honestly, if more people didn't slouch on couches and actually voted in the Elections and in the Mid-terms, then our congress wouldn't be full of lobbyist shitheads that enforce the ridiculous healthcare prices. That, and there would be actual healthcare reform.

[SirMoo]

Honestly, if more people didn't slouch on couches and actually voted in the Elections and in the Mid-terms, then our congress wouldn't be full of lobbyist shitheads that enforce the ridiculous healthcare prices. That, and there would be actual healthcare reform.

Districts in certain states are slanted towards one political party and never change. They're made impossible for the other political party to gain traction. The same effect happens even if people voted.

[konj1]

You can't put a price on Freedom™.

Freedom cost' a buck o' feyv.

[konj1]

Socialism is the first step to the communist 'nirvana'. Socialists allow for some capitalist activity to maintain somewhat healthy economies but control the capitalist at every step.

No it's not. This is a radical and ignorant view, just like if some leftard said that any form of patriotism means a way to fascism, war and subjugation of other peoples, or that if you visit a church you want a taliban regime where religion would destroy everything. Nuances are everything and you're too blind in your right-wing radicalism to see them.

 

If you knew any history you would know that social democrats were the biggest enemies of bolsheviks in the Russian Revolution and in other conflicts that brought communism to power, and centrist socialists rebelled against communism in several instances and were afterwards persecuted by red terror as badly as other enemies.

 

And many real capitalists actually supported and support social democracy that never wanted to take all their wealth and business like communism, just tax a part of the surplus that many very rich people openly recognize they don't need and that a more just and stable society also helps them with more educated and healthy workforce. So you need some real education and gtfo in the meantime.

[Adam.Bomb]

Education is an investment and it is about time that students who take loans accept what they are doing. With the right decisions and degree student debt is irrelevant. Accomplishment and decision making lowers the cost and risk of a college education. Let me be testament, I'm taking loans. However, I am fully prepare to do what it takes to pay them off. Liberty is super expensive, I am working almost 60 hours a week on my breaks in order to pay it off, and I've set that up ahead of time. I took the loan knowing the consequences and planning in advance to meet them where they are.

[eastwind]

Education is an investment and it is about time that students who take loans accept what they are doing. With the right decisions and degree student debt is irrelevant. Accomplishment and decision making lowers the cost and risk of a college education. Let me be testament, I'm taking loans. However, I am fully prepare to do what it takes to pay them off. Liberty is super expensive, I am working almost 60 hours a week on my breaks in order to pay it off, and I've set that up ahead of time. I took the loan knowing the consequences and planning in advance to meet them where they are.

So we can make it easier to pay off loans by raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

[SirMoo]

So we can make it easier to pay off loans by raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

US minimum should be between 10-15 depending on the area and C.O.L. in that state/metropolitan area.

[bAnderson]

So we can make it easier to pay off loans by raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

That does nothing because when minimum wage is $15 an hour then every price goes up. That's how it works. When the people are poor and have 10 dollars in the bank, hot dogs cost 5 cents. When the people have 10,000 dollars in the bank, hot dogs cost a buck or more. When minimum wage goes up, the companies have to find a way to make more money to keep making a profit. So they increase the cost of their product(s) in order to maintain a profit. Besides, minimum wage is not a living wage. You have to work harder to earn a promotion to earn more money. We're already in debt, let's not make more.

[Adam.Bomb]

So we can make it easier to pay off loans by raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

I am working for 8 dollars an hour, I do not feel entitled to have to work less hours for the money I need. I took the loan, I am going to pay the loan off. Whatever it takes. Conservatism is not just an ideology it s lifestyle, no matter how hard it gets I AM NEVER a victim. I fight the urge to paint my self as one everyday. A lot of s*** has happened in my life, no matter what I NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE. I am entitled to NOTHING. 

[bAnderson]

I am working for 8 dollars an hour, I do not feel entitled to have to work less hours for the money I need. I took the loan, I am going to pay the loan off. Whatever it takes. Conservatism is not just an ideology it s lifestyle, no matter how hard it gets I AM NEVER a victim. I fight the urge to paint my self as one everyday. A lot of s*** has happened in my life, no matter what I NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE. I am entitled to NOTHING. 

Same for me. If I take a loan, I'm gonna work it off, by being a pilot. It's gonna be hard the first few years. I'm gonna pay it off. I'm gonna try to get scholarships, to earn some money. I'm getting a job. I'm not gonna vote Bernie for Free college, because it's not a right, it's a privilege and you need to work for it.

[Fiercenight9]

while you two are busy stroking more than your egos, lets get back to the real issues, like grinding poverty in the United States, rampant child hunger, crumbling infrastructure, a broken election process, militant corporatism, gun violence, college rape, wealth inequality, and not to mention american complacency. Instead of patting yourself on the back for how much good you do paying back loans, which frankly nobody cares about, how about getting educated and getting involved in the issues so we can start moving this country back in the right direction. Its time for Democrats and Republicans to hit the road, the Two-Party System is outdated and people are tired of it. Trump cant fix a damn thing, and Hillary wont fix a damn thing. Start thinking for yourself and not "Cuz i be republican" or "cuz i be democrat." follow along with the people that are sick of the status quo, get behind candidates like Gary Johnson or Jill Stein and join the combined 14% of Americans that are sick of the bull****. only 40-48% of registered Democrats AND Republicans, according to NPR, are "satisfied" with this year's candidates for President. What does that tell you? that tells you that the at most 60% of registered Democrats and Republicans are not satisfied. You talk about educating yourselves, but all i hear is bull****. Whether you back Trump or Clinton, you believed their bull****, something is wrong, and the aforementioned registered Democrats and Republicans can see it, why cant you? 

[bAnderson]

I like walls... that's a good idea. Why are y'all against that?

[eastwind]

I like walls... that's a good idea. Why are y'all against that?

It's a waste of money seeing as, 1. people can climb over or dig under walls, 2. since there's already a fence and we see how that's working , and 3. a wall won't stop people from getting in the country and overstaying visas and what not.