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[Tesla]

If an LCC becomes quite wealthy, they may operate all-economy 787-10, or even 773.

[Crane Airlines CEO]

Southwest is a spamlines

And its working IRL

[tchung]

What about for the 747SP

[DJHonore]

Just curious, what would be the "ideal seating configuration" for a Boeing 737-400 or a CASA CN-235-100? I own both these types of planes and am looking to squeeze a little more profit out of these planes while minimizing expenses. Please message me in-game if you can help.

[fieldsofdreams]

First time ever playing this game (referred by a friend who I have been in talks from another forum), and I have these thoughts for seating layouts: it all depends on how you want to operate those aircraft to the destinations you want to serve them to.

In my case, I have chosen to go towards a path of picking either a mono-class (Y or J only), 2-class (J and Y), and 3-class (F, J, Y). I also have the idea of going either Regional (meaning it will serve within the same region, if not to a destination with heavy Y or no F demand, and will have a choice of either Basic (no WiFi, Mobile Service, or Live TV) or Advanced (all three included) IFE) or Premier (similar to what the real-world airlines have, with ample seating space, lie-flat seats on F and J, and Advanced IFE deployed). It is a complex system, yes, but it allows me to be flexible on what I give to the flyers and competitive to other airlines that provide similar flights.

In this case! I would break the aircraft classifications down to what I believe would work best:

For aircraft that can carry less than 100 passengers on Y:
• Mono-class, Y only: I would do up to 10 seats less than the maximum
• Mono-class, J only: I would do up to 24 seats, going for either basic or advanced IFE based on nature of the flight
• 2-Class: this will only be Regional only, mostly basic IFE (could go for advanced IFE if demand is warranted). Max of 8 for J, up to 88 for Y

For aircraft that can carry between 100 and 250 passengers on Y:
• Mono-class, Y only: I would do up to 12 seats less than the maximum, most likely basic IFE
• Mono-class, J only: I could serve up to 48 seats, more likely to go advanced IFE depending on nature of the flight
• 2-class Regional: perhaps 20 J, remainder Y (e.g. A320 would have 144, B752 would have 168 to 180), could go for either basic or advanced IFE
• 2-class High Density: around 12 J, remainder Y (e.g. A320 would have 156, B752 would have 180 to 192), more likely to get basic IFE (unless advanced IFE is warranted)
• 3-class Premier: I would only deploy it on the A321, B752, B753, B738, B739

For aircraft seating 251 or more passengers on Y:
• Mono-class, Y only: I would do up to 20 seats less than the maximum, can go for either basic or advanced IFE
• Mono-class, J only: I could do between 64 and 144 seats, advanced IFE
• 2-class Regional: perhaps up to 50 J, remainder Y (for example: A333 would have 285 to 325, B773 would have 315 to 375), more likely to go for advanced IFE since I want to send the aircraft to long haul ops too. This would be the 2-class version I would use for the A380
• 2-class High Density: around 30 J, remainder Y, can go for either basic or advanced IFE depending on the nature of the flight
• 3-class Premier: this can be particularly tricky since this means factoring in all classes and ensuring that I keep my costs down while providing excellent service to our customers. It depends on the aircraft type, in which I would emulate it from any of the real world airlines (depending on capacity demand and flight needs) - most likely to get advanced IFE

I'd love to hear your thoughts about this too, especially that we deal with the nuances of the airline industry.

[Stevphfeniey]

First time ever playing this game (referred by a friend who I have been in talks from another forum), and I have these thoughts for seating layouts: it all depends on how you want to operate those aircraft to the destinations you want to serve them to.

In my case, I have chosen to go towards a path of picking either a mono-class (Y or J only), 2-class (J and Y), and 3-class (F, J, Y). I also have the idea of going either Regional (meaning it will serve within the same region, if not to a destination with heavy Y or no F demand, and will have a choice of either Basic (no WiFi, Mobile Service, or Live TV) or Advanced (all three included) IFE) or Premier (similar to what the real-world airlines have, with ample seating space, lie-flat seats on F and J, and Advanced IFE deployed). It is a complex system, yes, but it allows me to be flexible on what I give to the flyers and competitive to other airlines that provide similar flights.

In this case! I would break the aircraft classifications down to what I believe would work best:

For aircraft that can carry less than 100 passengers on Y:
• Mono-class, Y only: I would do up to 10 seats less than the maximum
• Mono-class, J only: I would do up to 24 seats, going for either basic or advanced IFE based on nature of the flight
• 2-Class: this will only be Regional only, mostly basic IFE (could go for advanced IFE if demand is warranted). Max of 8 for J, up to 88 for Y

For aircraft that can carry between 100 and 250 passengers on Y:
• Mono-class, Y only: I would do up to 12 seats less than the maximum, most likely basic IFE
• Mono-class, J only: I could serve up to 48 seats, more likely to go advanced IFE depending on nature of the flight
• 2-class Regional: perhaps 20 J, remainder Y (e.g. A320 would have 144, B752 would have 168 to 180), could go for either basic or advanced IFE
• 2-class High Density: around 12 J, remainder Y (e.g. A320 would have 156, B752 would have 180 to 192), more likely to get basic IFE (unless advanced IFE is warranted)
• 3-class Premier: I would only deploy it on the A321, B752, B753, B738, B739

For aircraft seating 251 or more passengers on Y:
• Mono-class, Y only: I would do up to 20 seats less than the maximum, can go for either basic or advanced IFE
• Mono-class, J only: I could do between 64 and 144 seats, advanced IFE
• 2-class Regional: perhaps up to 50 J, remainder Y (for example: A333 would have 285 to 325, B773 would have 315 to 375), more likely to go for advanced IFE since I want to send the aircraft to long haul ops too. This would be the 2-class version I would use for the A380
• 2-class High Density: around 30 J, remainder Y, can go for either basic or advanced IFE depending on the nature of the flight
• 3-class Premier: this can be particularly tricky since this means factoring in all classes and ensuring that I keep my costs down while providing excellent service to our customers. It depends on the aircraft type, in which I would emulate it from any of the real world airlines (depending on capacity demand and flight needs) - most likely to get advanced IFE

I'd love to hear your thoughts about this too, especially that we deal with the nuances of the airline industry.

 

Wikipedia is your friend for aircraft seating configurations.

[fieldsofdreams]

^^ Nah. I use Seatguru. It gives me more realistic options.

[TheGreatOP]

Just don't go realistic and maximise your profit. Stuff every seat you can.

[Tesla]

Just don't go realistic and maximise your profit. Stuff every seat you can.

Look at IRL examples and tweak them a little. One example is Norwegian Air's 787-8. 32 Y+ 259Y. 32 C 259 Y in AE wouldn't do so badly actually.

[TNT88]

Never ever operate first class. It's not worth your time to compete in that class.

[Tesla]

Never ever operate first class. It's not worth your time to compete in that class.

It might be. Having first class bringing in extra cash is useful when the other 2 get fought down to unprofitable levels.

[TNT88]

It might be. Having first class bringing in extra cash is useful when the other 2 get fought down to unprofitable levels.

I know, but since most airlines in this world doesn't operate first class. And I doubt you want to see 2F seat at B737-200adv, it might not be the best market especially for airlines that based in most countries with lower demand. You know, Prague, or Auckland, or Sapporo, or Winnipeg for instance.

[Chubby Bear]

How dare you call my Auckland lower demand

[bartmoseley]

What if you were to take legroom into account?

[Tesla]

What if you were to take legroom into account?

Just reduce economy (and business if big enough by 10%). Or use real life recliners and flatbeds etc to calculate what you can fit in the length of the aircraft.

[Max Devo]

This particular spreadsheet has helped me immensely. I always refer to it every time I order a new aircraft and want to set up the config ahead of time.

[Chubby Bear]

Oggey's spreadsheet is the best, it only needs minor updating

[JeanKlo]

Hi!
I don't understand what is the interesst in the first picture of plane configuration. Because we loss pax on our fly so he fly with "empty pax" beacause of the config. Don't we loose money?

Only Y isn't better config?

 

Thanks for your advise

[rustupid2]

Does the game actually take into account leg room, or is that something people do to make their airlines more realistic? 

[MightyBobtheBuilder]

I found this ratio to be perfect for all aircraft (except when it doesn't fit well - then you generally round down in premium classes); 7F : 42C : 355Y. In essence, you multiply the first class by 6 to get business class, and you multiply business class by 8.45 to get economy. These are perfect for the 777-200 models, and it has worked perfectly for me every time.