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Difficult to get profit on a short route... I understand demand for such a route is low but this is a bit extreme:

Aircraft: Raytheon Beech 1900D
Initial Ticket Price for highspeed: 180.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 126.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 122.85 | Frequencies: 4
Adjusted Price for Prop: 141.28
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %49.4
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 211.13
Adjusted Price for Age: 221.69
O & D Load Factor: 19%
Hub Passengers: 87,094
Spoke Passengers: 213
Connecting Passengers: 1,896
Connecting Stretch: 256
Connecting Equi: 1,907
Unrestricted Connecting Load Factor: 81.3%
Adjusted Connecting Load Factor: 81.3%
Overall Load Factor: 100.0%
Maximum Distance of Routes out of Hub : 5,673
Average Distance of Routes out of Hub: 818
Connecting % of Ticket Price: 2%
O&D Revenues: 640
Connecting Revenues: 56
Total Revenues: 2,783
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Load Factor - %100.00

Projected Revenue - $2,783

Projected Profit - $149

While in the meantime, I dumped over 14,000 seats on two shorthaul routes. The load factor refuses to budge on both routes whether between a Big-Big or Big-Small airport.

We found this in the original testing, didnt matter how many you plonk it wouldnt alter. But this is only from and to large PAX locations.

Highspeed, we also had places where the lower pax wouldnt produce any positive results, Miller did alter some things but a lot of locations were left out from the looks of it.

Thought i recognized the name, fellow ATCBOX'er

klopt helemaal!!!

I have tried to get the LF to kick in on the LAX - SFO route but can't. It is also getting boring adding flights. Any ideas how I might be able to get it to kick in?

@highspeed: Maybe I am stupid, but I can not find the data regarding which route you are actualy talking about...?

Cheers,

Felix

@felix, you can't find it, because I didn't copy it

Go ahead: wreck the following route: DUS-CDG

I've just established a small-ish hub at DTW (17 gates right now), flying mostly short-haul routes (<500nm) with 739s.

If people want me to test out some things, I'd be glad to.

Hubbed, and added one plane post-hub to see the price differences.

I've noticed some funny things:

The Big-Big airport route: Raising prices on a route gave lower profits despite the LF staying at 100%.

The Big-Small airport route: The O&D loadfactor hit 88% at the highest price possible to produce a 100% LF. However, exceeding that price led to an extremely rapid fall in loadfactors.

JNB - KIM distance is 282 miles - cannot be flown with Beech or Q4 or A319.

George SA is located in Congo.

Currently Im not getting any Connecting revenue on anything, I only have 2 major routes, but no connecting passengers. I know it isn't smart to get hub from the get go, but I figured I might aswell for testing perpose. It would be alot easier to do this if we didn't have people jumping on routes and dumping 100s of freq onto it making it impossible to get an accurate reading if the O&D/Connecting script worked..

The problem with KIM and GRJ are two little typos in the database, giving wrong coordinates resulting in the positon of GRJ being at 3.4° South instead of 34° South and KIM being at a longitute of 244.46° East, instead of 24.46°. Thanks for the info, will include that in the list just now.

@BarbulaM1: Did you check the bug list (page 12 of this topic)? Its already mentioned.

Cheers,

Felix

PS: I am somehow under the impression that there is a hub effect, although no indication of connecting pax is given. Maybe somebody could try out opening a new route, checking the profits and lf for a specific ticket price, closing it and then starting it again with the same a/c type and settings once the hub has developed. I will do so too.

Yeah, I'm not getting any connecting revenue, either, and I have two hubs for test purposes. I'm not getting any connecting revenue doing hub to hub (and the same plane doing hub to non-hub). In fact, I still get the 10% O+D and 90% unused.

I could write: "We already discovered that and its on the bug list and we all know, but thanks for the telling us.", but I will not!

S***, I just did...


Please everybody, read the prior posts!!! Otherwise it gonna be just spamming, mentioning the same over and over again... ;-)

Cheers,

Felix

I didn't look through the whole thing, and yes, I did see this, but the guy wasn't being very specific. I didn't see anyone put this bug down for hub to hub, so I figured I might as well put it down.

I'm operating the only B744 from LHR-CPT (with my other airline British Virgin Airways) and I can't make more than minus $30(something) thousand. I will leave it running for a few days making a loss to see if the route would spur a damand.

It probably won't. There are a lot of routes where you will make very little or a negative number. The demand is too low from these cities.

About getting connecting revenue: see http://forums.airlin...5&postcount=141

The weird part is: on some routes I can increase the ticket price by $1 and my LF drops from 100% to some 30% (more or less, but way below 100%). Such routes are making profit on connecting passengers only (i.e. 100% connecting).

I don't know if some odd 80k passenger capacity on a hub is large or not, but if I may guess I think this will affect the ability to generate profit on connecting passengers.

@ people posting about connecting traffic

Ok well I had the same thing and as you can see earlier on I posted about it. I was told to keep adding routes under 2000NM and see what happens. At this point my LAX hub has almost every route possible under 2000NM and I just started seeing connecting traffic in my numbers.

I do not know if this is a bug or the way that it should work but here it goes! (I will say again that I know nothing about programing so if you dont get what I am trying to say let me know and I will try to give you better details)

So setting up a route out of LAX to ??? I started with a ticket price of $1500 and the profit was negative so I keep adding. The O&D load factor goes up as does the profit until getting to 100%. At this point the profit is still not all that good so I add more money to the ticket price. The profit goes negative and the O&D load goes down but I notice that the connecting is coming up. I keep adding until im over $10,000 and at that point the O&D load is 0% but the connecting is at 100% and the profit is in the millions.

What I find weird is that connecting is paying so much more than O&D and that I go from profit to no profit to huge profit again.......

I hope that you can understand what I am trying to say and if anyone that knows what they are doing would like to see this happen I would be more than happy to let them go in and take a look.

Hope this helps!

Not a bug, but a suggestion: I think it would be nice to see both load factors (O&D, connecting) on the "current routes" page.