#1
Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:53 PM
So if we were to implement a more realistic backlog, it would have to be somewhere in between. Also, the aircraft demand in AE is a lot higher than in real life, so using realistic production line speeds may not work either.
1) Should leased new aircraft come out of a limited pool of aircraft provided by leasing companies (who then order the aircraft using their own slots), or should we continue new aircraft leasing directly from manufacturers?
2) Assuming leased aircraft come out of a separate pool and the delivery system applies only to buying aircraft directly from manufacturers, should we keep the delivery system as is, or do you have other proposals on how to manage delivery schedules and the backlog?
In either case, if we have subsidiaries (each player having 1 "holding company" in each world), should delivery slots be shared among all carriers in that one holding company?
#2
Posted 06 January 2012 - 09:35 PM
- Should leased new aircraft come out of a limited pool of aircraft provided by leasing companies (who then order the aircraft using their own slots), or should we continue new aircraft leasing directly from manufacturers? Why not both? If you could create a market system which would allow airlines to choose leasing/buying from either the manufacturer or the lease companies, then put up and downsides to either. (e.g. Manufacturer provides better aircraft, but is more expensive to choose from; Lease companies only sell used aircraft at the end of their life (25+ years) and have a limited amount of lease aircraft, but provides a better price than the manufacturer, etc.)
- Assuming leased aircraft come out of a separate pool and the delivery system applies only to buying aircraft directly from manufacturers, should we keep the delivery system as is, or do you have other proposals on how to manage delivery schedules and the backlog? Perhaps if larger orders (5+ aircraft) are broken into blocks of 5 aircraft, then smaller orders (5 or less aircraft) get slotted in between the larger orders on the same delivery schedule as is currently implemented. This would make it a bit more fair to the smaller airlines.
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#3
Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:04 PM
#4
Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:26 PM
#5
Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:31 PM
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#6
Posted 06 January 2012 - 11:10 PM
The backlog at the moment seems fine to me! Even if it did change I probably won't notice it but if a change means making it more like real life, I'm all for it!
If anything, making it more realistic would mean fewer and slower deliveries. So be careful what you ask for
#7
Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:09 AM
If anything, making it more realistic would mean fewer and slower deliveries. So be careful what you ask for
I mean with the backlog process!
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#8
Posted 07 January 2012 - 05:14 AM
As for leasing, I do believe we should continue direct leasing from the manufacturer, however limit it considerably if you don't actually need to lease. (e.g. an airline with 10,000 aircraft should only be able to buy).
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#9
Posted 07 January 2012 - 06:19 AM
#10
Posted 07 January 2012 - 07:05 AM
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#11
Posted 07 January 2012 - 07:58 AM
As for leasing, I do believe we should continue direct leasing from the manufacturer, however limit it considerably if you don't actually need to lease. (e.g. an airline with 10,000 aircraft should only be able to buy).
There could be a limit put in place for these 'mega-airlines' from clogging up space when ordering aircraft. Like, if your fleet is 700+ aircraft, you are automatically required to purchase your aircraft. Airlines with fleets that big shouldn't have to lease, they should buy, no questions asked!
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#12
Posted 07 January 2012 - 08:44 AM
In either case, if we have subsidiaries (each player having 1 "holding company" in each world), should delivery slots be shared among all carriers in that one holding company?
Yes and one would be able to swap around their time of delivery of their aircraft with subsidiaries. A bit off topic but i reckon slots at airports should also be shared.
#13
Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:06 AM
On another note, I am against forcing larger airlines to buy, rather than lease. Sometimes, to fill gaps I've leased things for 1 year, or less. This is similar to real life.
#14
Posted 09 January 2012 - 01:39 AM
I agree with QK to an extent.
On another note, I am against forcing larger airlines to buy, rather than lease. Sometimes, to fill gaps I've leased things for 1 year, or less. This is similar to real life.
What about limiting how long they can extend a lease, or limiting discounts for extending a lease? Say there is one base lease cost, no discounts, and contract for 3 years max, which will then sell the aircraft unless purchased before then.
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#15
Posted 09 January 2012 - 06:22 AM
Right now its always the same in AE no matter the amount of order.
As an exemple, when Bombardier had 500 more CRJ 200 on order they increased the rate to 1.66 aircraft a day
This being said OEM can change their rate of production depending on the demand.
Let me know what you think about it!
#16
Posted 09 January 2012 - 07:07 PM
What about limiting how long they can extend a lease, or limiting discounts for extending a lease? Say there is one base lease cost, no discounts, and contract for 3 years max, which will then sell the aircraft unless purchased before then.
I am also against disallowing large airlines from leasing. It's not realistic. And the problem is that large airlines (when they do lease) tend to lease in larger quantities, so they would get more discounts, not less.
#17
Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:45 PM
#18
Posted 13 January 2012 - 01:33 PM
This would allow large airlines to still lease planes, without the system leading to huge backlogs.
#19
Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:18 AM
i.e:
3 airlines ordered/leased a Boeing 737200
at the time of delivery, usually all of them will receive the aircraft in the same day.
Airline A january 20
Airline B january 20
Airline C january 20
and so on...
what about sending the second aircraft for the next airline in the next day of first airline delivery?
like this:
Airline A january 20
Airline B january 21
Airline C january 22
the order might be based on several case, i.e: credit rating, reputation, or first ordered first delivered...
But that's just my thought...
because sometimes i feel it is unrealistic to see manufacture deliver 10 aircraft of the same type to 10 different airlines in the same day, and in the next day it still delivers another 10 aircraft to another 10 different airlines...
of course, this will hugely slowing down the aircraft delivery to every airline..
but maybe this could stop airlines growing too fast...
tell me if this has discussed before...
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#20
Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:56 PM
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