Strait_Hopper

Hi all,

Another quick note, this time RE: the Fokker F-70. It appears that AE is understating the true range: this "Fly Fokker" document indicates that range with max payload is approx 1,790 mi, rather than the 1,196mi in AE.

http://www.flyfokker...Performance.pdf

Also note that the F-100 range in AE (1,480mi) is verified by this document

http://www.flyfokker...Performance.pdf

 

Hi all,

 

Further to my recent posts about incorrect data, I believe there may also be some errors with the ATR -42 and -72 family of turboprops. In particular, the range of the -600 series is significantly overstated.

 

There are also a few types missing (42-320 and 72-210), which I have requested in the “aircraft requests” thread.

 

Observations based on this brochure from the ATR website: http://www.atraircra...ptembre2014.pdf

 

I couldn’t find historical data for the ATR-42-200, but it’s possible these numbers need updating as well.

 

ATR-42-300

 

AE Max Payload Range = 579 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 525 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,405 (units??)

ATR Fuel Flow = 1,252 lb/hr

 

AE Min Runway = 4,378 ft

ATR Min Runway = 3,576 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 242 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 306 mph (266 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 50

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 48

 

 

ATR-42-400

 

AE Max Payload Range = 617 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 914 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,507 (units??)

ATR Fuel Flow = 1,296 lb/hr

 

AE Min Runway = 3,415 ft

ATR Min Runway = 3,953 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 245 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 300 mph (261 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 50

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 48

 

 

ATR-42-500

 

AE Max Payload Range = 650 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 824 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,275 (units??)

ATR Fuel Flow = 1,788 lb/hr

 

AE Min Runway = 3,415 ft

ATR Min Runway = 3,822 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 345 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 345 mph (300 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 50

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 48

 

 

ATR-42-600 – Note: the -600 is exactly the same as the -500 except for updated cockpit

 

AE Max Payload Range = 1,651 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 824 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,252 (units??)

ATR Fuel Flow = 1,788 lb/hr

 

AE Min Runway = 3,350 ft

ATR Min Runway = 3,822 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 310 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 345 mph (300 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 50

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 48

 

 

ATR-72-200

 

AE Max Payload Range = 660 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 1,004 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,246 (units??)

ATR Fuel Flow = 1,587 lb/hr

 

AE Min Runway = 3,931 ft

ATR Min Runway = 4,623 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 243 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 320 mph (278 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 74

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 66

 

 

ATR-72-500

 

AE Max Payload Range = 666 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 903 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,387 (units??) – PW127

ATR Fuel Flow = 1,680 lb/hr – PW127F/M

 

AE Min Runway = 3,410 ft

ATR Min Runway = 4,016 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 318 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 317 mph (275 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 74

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 68

 

 

ATR-72-600

 

AE Max Payload Range = 1,528 mi

ATR Max Payload Range = 949 mi

 

AE Fuel Flow = 2,443 (units??)

ATR Fuel Flow =  lb/hr

 

AE Min Runway = 4,560 ft

ATR Min Runway = 4,373 ft

 

*AE Ave. Speed = 305 mph

*ATR Max Speed = 317 mph (275 ktas)

 

AE Max Pax = 78

ATR “Standard Config” Pax = 70

 

* I wasn’t sure what “average speed” refers to, and I couldn’t find any reference to “average speed” in the documentation, so I have included the stated maximum speed for reference.​

The range of the DHC-7 seems to be far too high (currently 1,668 mi).

There is currently only one type for this aircraft in AE, although there were two main Dash 7 passenger variants (the -100 and -150).

I can't find a super-official source at the moment (working on it), but according to most sources I'm reading, including Airliners.net (http://www.airliners...nada-dash-7/182), I believe the ranges should be:

-100 (into service in 1975): Full payload range of 794 mi (690 nm)

-150 (into service in 1978): full payload range of 1132 mi (1140 nm)

It would be great to A) update the current AE range (according to whichever variant the current aircraft is meant to be) and B ) also maybe add the second variant as an option?

Hi everyone,

 

Following my recent post about EMB family data, here are some discrepancies I've noticed between AE and most recent Embraer data for the ERJ family, as well as potential fixes for EMB120 and EMB120ER turboprops:

ERJ135

 

Sources:

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

 

ER

 

Current AE payload range = 1,070 mi

Official payload range = 1,496 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway = 4,573 ft

Official minimum runway = 5,381 ft

 

 

 

LR

 

Current AE payload range = 1,271 mi

Official payload range = 2,014 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway = 4,939 ft

Official minimum runway = 5,774 ft

 

 

ERJ140

 

Sources:

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

 

ER

 

Current AE payload range = 936 mi

Official payload range = 1,439 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway =  4,437 ft

Official minimum runway = 5,184 ft

 

 

 

LR

 

Current AE payload range = 1,234 mi

Official payload range = 1,899 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway = 5,160 ft

Official minimum runway = 6,070 ft

 

 

ERJ145

 

Sources:

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

 

ER - NOTE: There are three official variants on the Embraer website - I have referred to "MP" here

 

Current AE payload range = 987 mi

Official payload range = 1,381 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway =  5,661 ft

Official minimum runway =  6,660 ft

 

 

 

LR

 

Current AE payload range = 1,160 mi

Official payload range = 1,784 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway = 6,333 ft

Official minimum runway = 7,448 ft

 

ERJ145XR

 

Sources:

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

Current AE payload range = 1,496 mi

Official payload range = 2,302 mi

 

Current AE minimum runway = 5,831 ft

Official minimum runway =  6,791 ft

 

EMB120

 

Sources:

http://www.airliners...20-brasilia/196

 

STD

 

Current AE payload range = 577 mi

Official payload range = 633 mi

 

ER

 

Current AE payload range = 628 mi

Official payload range = 967 mi

Hi all,

 

 

I was just perusing the Embraer site and have found that the current official ranges for all of the EMB family aircraft are incorrect, along with min runway lengths, cruise speeds, engine stats and (in some cases) cabin sizes. Not sure if there has been a change in the stats over time after some sort of refresh, or if the original entries are just off? The engine types listed on the official EMB page are the same as in the AE data, and AFAIK there hasn't been any major fuselage changes since start of production, so...

 

 

Also, I couldn't find any data sets for "fuel flow" of the respective engines, so if anyone can double check those stats, that would be great!

 

 

*Note: I've only included the stats against each model where there is a discrepancy.

 

 

EMB170

 

 

Sources:

 

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

http://www.embraerco.../E170_Cabin.pdf

 

http://www.embraerco...E170_Engine.pdf

 

 

EMB 170 STD

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,347 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,071 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 4,369 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 4,029 ft

 

 

Current AE max seats = 80

 

Official max seats = 78

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.75 mach (575mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 2,470 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 2,627 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 14,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 14,200 lb

 

 

EMB 170 LR

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1571 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,417 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 4,709 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 5,190 ft

 

 

Current AE max seats = 80

 

Official max seats = 78

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.75 mach (575mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 2,470 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 2,627 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 14,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 14,200 lb

 

 

EMB175

 

 

Sources:

 

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

http://www.embraerco...E175_Engine.pdf

 

 

EMB 175 STD

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,347 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,014 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 4,828 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 5,289 ft

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.75 mach (575mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 2,470 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 2,627 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 14,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 14,200 lb

 

 

EMB 175 LR

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,571 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,474 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 5,330 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 5,656 ft

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.75 mach (575mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 2,470 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 2,627 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 14,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 14,200 lb

 

 

E190

 

 

Sources:

 

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

http://www.embraerco...E190_Engine.pdf

 

 

E190 STD

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,554 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,129 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 4,760 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 5,243 ft

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.75 mach (575mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 3,800 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 3,700 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 18,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 20,000 lb

 

 

E190 LR

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,985 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,762 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 5,381 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 6,004 ft

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.78 mach (599mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 3,800 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 3,700 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 18,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 20,000 lb

 

 

E195

 

 

Sources:

 

http://www.embraerco...Performance.pdf

 

http://www.embraerco...E195_Engine.pdf

 

http://www.embraerco.../E195_Cabin.pdf

 

 

 

E195 STD

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,208 mi

 

Official payload range = 1,841 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 5,389 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 5,715 ft

 

 

Current AE max seats = 122

 

Official max seats = 124

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.78 mach (599mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 3,800 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 3,700 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 18,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 20,000 lb

 

 

E195 LR

 

 

Current AE payload range = 1,600 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,302 mi

 

 

Current AE takeoff length = 6,078 ft

 

Official takeoff length = 6,535 ft

 

 

Current AE max seats = 122

 

Official max seats = 124

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.78 mach (599mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 3,800 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 3,700 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 18,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 20,000 lb

 

 

E195 AR

 

Current AE payload range = 2,675 mi

 

Official payload range = 2,647 mi

 

 

Current AE max seats = 122

 

Official max seats = 124

 

 

Current AE ave speed = 553mph

 

Official ave speed = 0.78 mach (599mph)

 

 

Current AE engine weight = 3,800 (lb?? not sure of unit)

 

Official engine weight = 3,700 lb

 

 

Current AE max engine thrust = 18,500 lb

 

Official max engine thrust = 20,000 lb