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This is more of a community-type message: I've not seen this before, but a certain "airline" will repeatedly flood already saturated routes with huge a/c at ridiculous frequencies. This is presumably to force the existing "airlines" out? What do you all think of this?
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It's competition. Yes it's annoying but I don't see anything wrong with it.

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I agree with SB. There isn't anything wrong with it, it's competition. If you want to take then route back, then add more flights or use a larger plane...

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Ah yes competition.. one move and people complain...

Just be glad you didnt play a few years back... it would have been so much worse than now.

But best way to fight fire is with fire. :)

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Just be glad you didnt play a few years back... it would have been so much worse than now.
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Add more flights and drop the price, thats how I win routes.

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I think it's unrealistic competition and something should be done about it. Perhaps I should dedicate 20 aircraft to each of the most popular routes making the capacity about 10x the demand for the route. Let's put 20 747s on JFK-LAX so we can offer 60 daily flights. Just competition right?

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I think it's unrealistic competition and something should be done about it. Perhaps I should dedicate 20 aircraft to each of the most popular routes making the capacity about 10x the demand for the route. Let's put 20 747s on JFK-LAX so we can offer 60 daily flights. Just competition right?


The sim itself isn't realistic per se in the first place. I mean who can start an airline with 1 leased 737 and end with dozens of 777s and A330s at the end of year 1?


And as maestro69 said, just be glad you didn't play a few years back. Either fight back or leave and grow somewhere else. That's most of the difficulty in this game, not running it.

As for the real world, ever hear of Reno Air? How about Northwest Airlines? Look it up...

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You should've seen the fight I put on YQT-YOW in the middle of the wilderness to kick the competition back to 7x weekly.

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I think it's unrealistic competition and something should be done about it. Perhaps I should dedicate 20 aircraft to each of the most popular routes making the capacity about 10x the demand for the route. Let's put 20 747s on JFK-LAX so we can offer 60 daily flights. Just competition right?


While I do think that is a bit excessive, I do however think it is still just a case of competition. Unfortunately, there are no practical ways of dealing with this. A limit on frequencies would just mean larger aircraft, like 747s, however a limit on aircraft size will just mean increased frequencies. And well, doing both would cause all sorts of problems.

It is annoying though, I do agree there, however, I think you've just got to deal with it, as there's likely going to be no easy fix.

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there is competition and there is taking the piss ... a couple of my routes i have put the price down to $10 making $0 profit just to keep the route and stop anyone else undercutting me. nothing wrong with competition but when you see that the demand is way lower than the available seat my advice is to look for another route ... no money to be made where there is no demand !
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I had BRU-AMS to drop till $12 :rofl: but i was only using 737s i think and I do that sometimes flooding already full routes it's just the game go with it ...

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I will not flood a route. I will take up open demand though. And at times that will cause lower fares for the original operator. Since I don't flood routes, it is annoying that others will flood a route I was doing just fine with on my own. But I realize its a game. And its part of the game. And it is something real airlines do? I just fight back by lowering my fares to match, or even going lower. If a particular airline has taken a likeing to alot of my routes and floods alot of them. I have now started doing the same to them. At first I would not do it. But now I think if they are willing to flood alot of my routes. They should be prepared to have theirs flooded as well. Whats good for the goose . . . .

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I had BRU-AMS to drop till $12 :rofl: but i was only using 737s i think and I do that sometimes flooding already full routes it's just the game go with it ...


Well even without any competition AMS-BRU wouldnt have very high ticket prices im guessing maybe €50 at most.....




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