39 replies to this topic

[Conor]

but then that would give an immediate advantage to anyone based in America because there are alot more airports there

[travelhouse]

I am proposing to solve the problem byrestricting airlines operating routes entire within the region that they are not based on.

It looks like every airlines at the beginning wants to operate LHR<->FRA, LHR<->CDG etc, even they are based in US or Asia. With such restrictions, if you want to operate LHR<->FRA, it is OK, but you have to be based in Europe and cannot operate e.g. JFK<->BOS. This will make more sense, make more gates at LHR/CDG/FRA available as not all airlines in the game are Europe airlines.

Yes, this could work, but going back a few resets, the gate numbers have been doubled.

1. For the lack of profit in a lot of locations

Now, we have this mass explosion in one-way revenue, this is whats killing the gates, plus there is for some reason since the game was moved from Millers server to the cloud server that the revenue from both USA and Asia have dropped, so that means all play is in Europe.

More players that see this will end up just killing the game, as how much can those routes in fra / lhr / cdg take.

[Glennos]

but then that would give an immediate advantage to anyone based in America because there are alot more airports there

Conor, all i see from you is negativity? If someone mentions something then you say "That wont work" or "That's no good "

Come up with a decent solution yourself then and not one you have to read 10 times and still not know what it's about....

Thank you!

[Conor]

Well what do you want me to say? Yes adding slots will fix the problem? Yes confining airlines to there home continent will fix the game?

[Chaostah]

I think having many servers will help, each running its own schedule... the game will be the same but people get to choose what they like and each should have its own reset time... so its going to be like a bunch of different games but all will be sim2.

I'm thinking of this idea off another browser based game: www.tribalwars.net

[grantguo]

What is the purpose of "empire"? Fly every routes between every airports in the world?

That defeats the purpose of an "empire"

[grantguo]

Profit-wise, I agree Euro-based airlines is the way to start under current rules. However, it is also a double-sided sword. As more players choose to start in Euro, the profit will drop eventually. Then airlines that have made a lot of money will then move to Asia/US and compete directly with those airline that started there. This is unfair in IMHO.

With this restrictions:
1. It will make the ranking based on region make more sense. Otherwise, how can you tell the region of an airline, as they can fly everywhere they want.
2. More people may consider to start in US or Asia, or even less populated area as they face less competition in the long run.

It may be fun to have a server to try it out. I don't think the rule is hard to implement.

I do agree that the restrictions can be enforced for a limited time, and relaxed (or even step by step) after more and more countries join the free air agreements

Yes, this could work, but going back a few resets, the gate numbers have been doubled.

1. For the lack of profit in a lot of locations

Now, we have this mass explosion in one-way revenue, this is whats killing the gates, plus there is for some reason since the game was moved from Millers server to the cloud server that the revenue from both USA and Asia have dropped, so that means all play is in Europe.

More players that see this will end up just killing the game, as how much can those routes in fra / lhr / cdg take.

[Maestro69]

This is in progress - this is one of the planned new features I thought about with the new server introduction. There will be three games:

• One is equal the current sim2
• Another has another speed (I'm thinking about slower/faster)
• The third one will have harder rules (5,000,000 $ cash in the beginning, you can select only small airports with less than 15 million pax/year as start airport, you will just get a Beech 1900D, gates prices will be about 20% higher, but a gate will have more slots)

This is relative easy to implement: There will be just another database for every round, the code behind is the same - the player has just to select the game he wants to join.

So stay tuned

If i wanted that in AE, then i know where on the internet i need to go to play a game like that honestly...

What we need AE to be is to be:
1. bug free
2. Loadfactor script that actually works and benefits the airlines is hubs.
3. A game which can handle 1-2k airlines in a game and allow for everyone to grow their own, either legacy style airline, low-cost, regional,etc.. not everyone wants to fly from everywhere.
4. Where alliances are an actually help
5. Get rid of the current gate system and get a daily schedule and slot system.

Honestly, there is more to do than just setup 3-4 "worlds" to appease the people. No offense, but atm, that is just a waste of time. We havent even sorted out sim2, yet we are moving to establishing other games...

Just my 2 cents.

[grantguo]

Yes, that is the exactly the fun part. More profitable routes in Euro vs. more airports to serve in US.

but then that would give an immediate advantage to anyone based in America because there are alot more airports there

[OSUflight1]

The easiest solution would be to increase the number of gates available at the larger airports. Like instead of 150 gates, say, oh 250-300 gates max.

[Elchie]

I will have a look at the current problems with the load factor script this week and hopefully fix the known problems (price set by system on manual priced routes, strange loss in us/asia, different projected profit than later calculated). Sorry for the delay

[waskew]

I have read with great interest the discussion about gates! As a LHR operator, I have the original 5 gates (now reduced to 4 because I could not get enough aircraft), and I have no hope of expanding service unless I build a terminal. Though I understand and fully appreciate the concept of competition (being someone who aggresively grows the LHR hub myself! ) I have to agree that there is merit to a couple of items posted.

1) adding another 50 gates to the top 10 airports in high capacity regions would help (like Asia, Europe and US)

2) a restriction on where you operate for 12 months (or another agreeable time frame) based on the region you selected at the beginning of the game. As was previously mentioned, slot poachers from outside Europe are killing the LHR's, FRA's, and CDG's of the game resulting in carriers based in these regions (or those airports specifically) being unable to grow the business.

Hopefully either solution is not burdensome to the server or developers (cos I'm thinking about all your good work to date!).

Eventually, market forces will catch up when the markets are opened to outsiders and capacity. The current one way only rule after your first round trip is exasperating the slot shortages in my case so I would propose that that rule also is relaxed.

Thanks for listening!

[flightsimer]

i hope there will be a reset in the next week or so. i cant make a profit so am quiting till then. cant have a freq of 2 without the route going into the neg even without any competition. my dop wasnt even half with the same routes as last round.

[travelhouse]

i hope there will be a reset in the next week or so. i cant make a profit so am quiting till then. cant have a freq of 2 without the route going into the neg even without any competition. my dop wasnt even half with the same routes as last round.

Then you must be doing wrong with your airline, I have tried to lose $$$$ and cant.

The way this game is right now just produces massive profits on many routes you cant lose, as a banker once said, if your on a good thing stick to it, if you cant make it, (Quit)

[mikhail]

RE 'restrictions' why not apply same rule pertaining to 'foreign hubs' to start-up airlines? meaning eu based airlines could not just have routes anywhere they like unless the required time has lapsed and if they have a route that connects them to other region. guys, airline routes dont just sprout like germs all over the world y'all know that. empires start in their own regions too and only then when all is exploited they start expanding....

[waskew]

RE 'restrictions' why not apply same rule pertaining to 'foreign hubs' to start-up airlines? meaning eu based airlines could not just have routes anywhere they like unless the required time has lapsed and if they have a route that connects them to other region. guys, airline routes dont just sprout like germs all over the world y'all know that. empires start in their own regions too and only then when all is exploited they start expanding....

I'm with you Mikhail!

[lurch]

The easiest solution would be to increase the number of gates available at the larger airports. Like instead of 150 gates, say, oh 250-300 gates max.

I agree with this but also have a limit for the number of flights on each route. It would prevent some of the gate shortages until later in the game because lets face it, currently, 59 flights from CDG - LHR is a little much. I do understand at the beginning of a round these are very popular because of the LF issue with only a few airports being profitable. I think the solution is the weekly schedule and and one way check, which both are being considered right now.

[alex_nl]

if you put a limit on the amount of flights on a certain route. A limited amount of airlines will hold these very profitable routes, and make it hard for smaller airlines to catch up.

[TerryMcKenna]

Hi Guys

I feel that present pricing/load factor issues are the major factor.
All areas of costings are way out of sync and need to be more realistically adjusted. Until this is resolved this game is pretty much unplayable and when sorted really needs to be reset ????.

Could the problem also be to do with the slots allocated per gate?
I was at Sydney,Australia this afternoon and over 3 hours Virgin Blue and Qantas regional gates were turning over very quickly.
Both domestic terminals are great for viewing and offer good consistant, close up action including main taxiway and low flyovers.

[vicentor]

I don't agree, if people from other regions are taking gates from LHR and CDG then go take other regions too, you are not limited to your own region (except for hubs). My opinion for competition is planes, comparing a boeing 717 (35.5K 106 sts) and a Tu-204 (35k 210 sts) the Tupolev obviously is better and with the saturated gates even worse, yet people who use other aircraft don't complain. Let people expand, besides the same people in the region will saturate the gates and there will no new gates for outsiders. The answer would only increasing gate amounts at major airports.