23 replies to this topic

[Glennos]

I would like to suggest that the Initial costs of building a terminal at a smaller city / town should be alot less than they are at say FRA or ORD.

At this time I want to build a terminal at say Strasborg but ....

Initial Construction Fees: $50,000,000 Gate Construction Fees (5 * $5,000,000): $25,000,000Total Upfront Cost: $75,086,653
The Strasbourg airport board is willing to offer each gate at a 10% discount for a total price of $15,597 per month.
This would bring your monthly gate payments to $77,987 plus the one-time $75,086,653 administration fee.

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This is totally out of proportion to the city size. My suggestions ...

1) An exponential reduction in costs with relation to the gate leasing charges.

2) for cities below a certain amount of traffic, Initial Construction fee's 5 million , Gate construction fee's 500k per gate.

3) Cities with gates costs 300k and above leave as is
Cities with gate costs 100 -> 299k half of what it is now
Cities with gates costs 0 -> 99k half of that again or even less

something along those lines?

This would help in 2 ways

a) People wanting to operate from smaller cities can do so much cheaper. Not everyone playing this game want's to be number 1 or fly A380's. Some people want to mirror as much as they can real commuter flight schedules and routes.

Bigger airlines would not need to lease so many smaller city gates , they can just buy a terminal which in turn leaves more on the market for smaller airlines.

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I think from a programming view and server load maybe a hardcoded value like in option 3 would be better but you could go all the way and make it variable depending on gate costs at any given airport

[Elchie]

I'm thinking about a "price per customer"-model.

So lets take a look at FRA: There are about 60.000.000 passengers/year (I added the number of passengers on the airport information page). The initial terminal build cost equals 50,000,000, a gate costs 5,000,000.

Calculate something:

- 50,000,000 $ / 60,000,000 passengers = 0,83 $
- 5,000,000 $ / 60,000,000 passengers = 0,08 $

So now take a look at Strasbourg (7,600,000 passengers), apply the same factors:

- 0,83 $ x 7,600,000 = 6,308,000 $
- 0,08 $ x 7,600,000 = 608,000 $

For a terminal with 5 gates we have:

6,308,000 + 5 x 608,000 = 9,348,000 $ total build costs in Strasbourg.

Further suggestions/remarks? If not I will implement it today, there not to much code to change

[travelhouse]

The numbers add well and doing it this way on the % percentage will work well :-Clap

[Glennos]

I'm thinking about a "price per customer"-model.

So lets take a look at FRA: There are about 60.000.000 passengers/year (I added the number of passengers on the airport information page). The initial terminal build cost equals 50,000,000, a gate costs 5,000,000.

Calculate something:

- 50,000,000 $ / 60,000,000 passengers = 0,83 $
- 5,000,000 $ / 60,000,000 passengers = 0,08 $

So now take a look at Strasbourg (7,600,000 passengers), apply the same factors:

- 0,83 $ x 7,600,000 = 6,308,000 $
- 0,08 $ x 7,600,000 = 608,000 $

For a terminal with 5 gates we have:

6,308,000 + 5 x 608,000 = 9,348,000 $ total build costs in Strasbourg.

Further suggestions/remarks? If not I will implement it today, there not to much code to change

That sounds good. In any case it is alot better than the current situation

[Glennos]

Just one more comment

HUB costs will also be percentage? at the moment they are 500k per gate. This also seems unfair for hubbing smaller cities :eureka:

[Elchie]

Yay, will break them down to passengers, too

[Elchie]

Update: Integrated this for terminals, hubs will follow tomorrow, feeling tired now

[Elchie]

Well, hub pricing also changed, a gate for a hub will cost 0.415 $ per customer/year.

[Glennos]

Update: Integrated this for terminals, hubs will follow tomorrow, feeling tired now

Well goodnight.

Maybe tomorrow you can look at the variables Total upfront cost should be 33 + 16 = 49 and not 22.7 :eureka:


Initial Construction Fees: $33,337,285.32 Gate Construction Fees (5 * $3,213,232.32): $16,066,162Total Upfront Cost: $22,733,619
The London Gatwick airport board is willing to offer each gate for a total price of $316,489 per month.
This would bring your monthly gate payments to $1,582,443 plus the one-time $22,733,619 administration fee

[Elchie]

Should be fixed now.

[Glennos]

Should be fixed now.

That's better Anyway the new system should help players lower in the ranks as the hurdle to buy a terminal is lower.....

It's getting alot better and fairer for everyone!

[Glennos]

I think there may be a small problem still

When I try to add gates to a terminal I already had before you made these changes I get the following.

Initial Construction Fees: $60,467,481.21 Gate Construction Fees (10 * $5,828,190.96): $58,281,909.60Total Upfront Cost: $70,375,405.84
The London Heathrow airport board is willing to offer each gate for a total price of $542,819 per month.
This would bring your monthly gate payments to $5,428,191 plus the one-time $70,375,405.84 administration fee.

[Elchie]

In London they will remove the old terminal building and create a completly new one just for you - thats expensive, thereafter they apply a hidden discount to well-known airlines :sdrool:

I will check this out

[Glennos]

Another comment

The HUB costs are also way too much on newhub.php

CGN Cologne 5 0 $37,544,407
DUS Dusseldorf 5 0 $56,624,800
LTN London Luton 5 16 $41,249,012
NCE Nice 5 3 $37,348,736
STR Stuttgart 5 0 $37,146,231
BRE Bremen 5 4 $17,322,156
HAM Hamburg 5 0 $43,524,762
CPH Copenhagen 5 5 $54,689,287
SXF Berlin-Schonefeld 5 4 $28,048,889

[travelhouse]

Another comment

The HUB costs are also way too much on newhub.php

CGN Cologne 5 0 $37,544,407
DUS Dusseldorf 5 0 $56,624,800
LTN London Luton 5 16 $41,249,012
NCE Nice 5 3 $37,348,736
STR Stuttgart 5 0 $37,146,231
BRE Bremen 5 4 $17,322,156
HAM Hamburg 5 0 $43,524,762
CPH Copenhagen 5 5 $54,689,287
SXF Berlin-Schonefeld 5 4 $28,048,889

Hey thats Elchie Xmas party bubbly fees

[Elchie]

Hehe *g* What is Glennos willing to pay for hubs within these cities?

[travelhouse]

If the costing of a terminal for lower PAX locations is taken into account, then it is only right that establishing a hub fee should be on par to both.

As it was before / 5 gates at FRA to make a hub is $2.5m this is too low if it cost you $200m for a terminal, then to hub it sould be 10%.

Just my 2p worth.

[Glennos]

Hehe *g* What is Glennos willing to pay for hubs within these cities?

Well I don't want to hub those ;- ) I'm just thinking what it will cost me when I hub ORD , ATL , PVG , HND and JFK :eureka:

[Elchie]

Costs reduced, a gate within a hub at FRA will cost now ca. 500,000 $ (as before), for smaller cities its cheaper

[Glennos]

Thanks, I still think one thing needs fixing and that is when you upgrade your existing terminal. The costs are too high.