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OK, trying to figure this out. Below is a route by another airline. He is the sole operator. He has twice the seats for demand. How is hes not losing his shirt? How does this work?  Does it have to do with hubs? 

 

I got the gist about hubs. They provide for connecting passengers who take otherwise unsold seats at half price. How does this work? Passengers go from point A to point B. If point B is a hub, do some of them decide to connect to somewhere else? How is this decided? Can I get a hub in a low cost city, shuttle in pass in small planes from little markets and connect them all through the hub? Or connect from a small hub to a big city hub?

 

Saw this in an old post. What does it mean? 

 

 

13. Tweak to assign flights

 

Here I will hand over an Excel spreadsheet so you can quickly calculate the frequency of flights you should assign to every route. First you fill up all your aircraft capacities on Y seating. After that, you only put the daily demand, and you’ll have the result of how many flights you should assign to that route with all the aircraft you have. 

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Using the most profitable IFE/IFS settings will allow you to have as many flights as you want and remain profitable with most airplane types no matter how far over the limit you go,but hubs will increase the virtual demand based on how many total pax go through the airport yearly. You will not see the demand increase on the graph, for example in your picture 281 will never go up graphically, but the reality is that it can go up to basically 9999 if you have enough passenger traffic in your hub. In my experience, the correct time to open a hub is when you reach 10 full gates and directly before you build a terminal.



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OK. This image is from my other airline Piss Poor Airlines. I am the only airline on this route. I have more Y seats than demand, yet each flight has 174 Y. Where do these other pass come from and how can I calculate these?

  

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In this one, I have a 12 seat AN-2. This image shows that instead of offering 12 seats, I am only offering and filling 2 seats. On the flight tab it shows 12 of 12.

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12 seats 1x a week is 2 per day, rounded.

 

The 174/156 is because the game is a bit generous :)



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In your most recent post, your demand chart is daily demand. 44 daily passengers, or 308 per week. Your An-2 is flying once per week, carrying 12 passengers. 12 * 1/7 = ~2.



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OK. This image is from my other airline Piss Poor Airlines. I am the only airline on this route. I have more Y seats than demand, yet each flight has 174 Y. Where do these other pass come from and how can I calculate these?

>Where do they come from

It is being filled via your airline reputation, which increases the original demand. Once again this will not appear on the graph,but it does exist.

 

>How do I calculate it

I am unaware of the exact formula, which would include multiple variables, but if you play the game for a few weeks you will get the feeling for it.

 

 

In this one, I have a 12 seat AN-2. This image shows that instead of offering 12 seats, I am only offering and filling 2 seats. On the flight tab it shows 12 of 12.

 

It's actually 1.71

(12/7)

 

But the graphs do not render decimals.

If you want to change the view to weekly you can under settings.



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OK, trying to figure this out. Below is a route by another airline. He is the sole operator. He has twice the seats for demand. How is hes not losing his shirt? How does this work?  Does it have to do with hubs? 
 
I got the gist about hubs. They provide for connecting passengers who take otherwise unsold seats at half price. How does this work? Passengers go from point A to point B. If point B is a hub, do some of them decide to connect to somewhere else? How is this decided? Can I get a hub in a low cost city, shuttle in pass in small planes from little markets and connect them all through the hub? Or connect from a small hub to a big city hub?
 
Saw this in an old post. What does it mean? 
 
 
13. Tweak to assign flights
 
Here I will hand over an Excel spreadsheet so you can quickly calculate the frequency of flights you should assign to every route. First you fill up all your aircraft capacities on Y seating. After that, you only put the daily demand, and you’ll have the result of how many flights you should assign to that route with all the aircraft you have.


The problem with this airline is that it has a really bad F-C-Y configuration, so I believe what he is trying to do is to fill up the F seats, but then his configuration is so bad that the C seats barely match the demand, and the Y seats just overshoot the demand. What I leant is that the seat configuration should be 1F to 6/7C to 36-42Y (depending on what you want).
Next, how to find out how many F seats you should put. Take the exit limit of the plane, divide it by 60, and round it to the nearest whole number. Then to find out the no. of C seats and Y seats just multiply the F seats by the respective numbers (6/7C, 36-42Y) I have given above. e.g. A340-300E has an exit limit of 440 seats. 440/60~7. 7x6=42, and put the remaining seats on Y.
This is a really comprehensive guide to your seas configuration.

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If you set the data to weekly instead of daily it's trivial to calculate the number of flights you want because they're done per week. I don't know about you, but multiplying/dividing by 7 in my head makes it a lot harder to get a reasonable approximation.

 

As far as seating arrangements go, the ratio between demands fluctuates from route to route, and it all changes if you're going to go for lots of Y hub passengers. (I haven't run 3-class in a while, but if I remember correctly connecting-C are near nonexistent however big you get, while connecting-Y is effectively unlimited - so I was going for 1/2/50 or something.)



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I still don't think I am understanding this. 44 daily seats. 1 flight with 12 seats. Is this 1 flight 1 daily flight per week, or 1 flight period per week?

 

The problem with this airline is that it has a really bad F-C-Y configuration, so I believe what he is trying to do is to fill up the F seats, but then his configuration is so bad that the C seats barely match the demand, and the Y seats just overshoot the demand. What I leant is that the seat configuration should be 1F to 6/7C to 36-42Y (depending on what you want).
Next, how to find out how many F seats you should put. Take the exit limit of the plane, divide it by 60, and round it to the nearest whole number. Then to find out the no. of C seats and Y seats just multiply the F seats by the respective numbers (6/7C, 36-42Y) I have given above. e.g. A340-300E has an exit limit of 440 seats. 440/60~7. 7x6=42, and put the remaining seats on Y.
This is a really comprehensive guide to your seas configuration.

What is the exit limit?



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I still don't think I am understanding this. 44 daily seats. 1 flight with 12 seats. Is this 1 flight 1 daily flight per week, or 1 flight period per week?

 

1) Click the settings tab (top right)

 

2) Find the group is labeled "Routes" (it's listed 2nd)

 

3) Click the box next to "View statistics by"

 

4) Choose "Weekly"

 

5) Save settings



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I still don't think I am understanding this. 44 daily seats. 1 flight with 12 seats. Is this 1 flight 1 daily flight per week, or 1 flight period per week?

 

The problem with this airline is that it has a really bad F-C-Y configuration, so I believe what he is trying to do is to fill up the F seats, but then his configuration is so bad that the C seats barely match the demand, and the Y seats just overshoot the demand. What I leant is that the seat configuration should be 1F to 6/7C to 36-42Y (depending on what you want).
Next, how to find out how many F seats you should put. Take the exit limit of the plane, divide it by 60, and round it to the nearest whole number. Then to find out the no. of C seats and Y seats just multiply the F seats by the respective numbers (6/7C, 36-42Y) I have given above. e.g. A340-300E has an exit limit of 440 seats. 440/60~7. 7x6=42, and put the remaining seats on Y.
This is a really comprehensive guide to your seas configuration.

What is the exit limit?






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