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[Strait_Hopper]

Hi all,

Having done a search of the forums, it appears that the original P&W, piston-driven variation of the Convairliners have been successfully asked for and incorporated into the game.

I was wondering though whether we could also get the later, turbo-prop driven variations added as well? In real life, these were technically "conversions" of existing airframes, rather than new aircraft, but they were classified as different aircraft models and significantly changed (I would say ënhanced") the performance of the aircraft.

The CV-580 was driven by two Allisom 501 turbo props. The CV-600 (AKA CV-240-D), and CV640 (AKA CV-340-D and CV-440-D) were driven by two Rolls Royce Darts, the same engine as the Vickers Viscount.

The best data source I could find was the following site, although I don't know for sure whether it is accurate: http://www.flugzeugi...ta_cv640_en.php

Would others like to see these aircraft in the game?

[TheBlock]

I agree. I would love to see the CV580

[ResidentEVO]

Would also love to see this, but as an upgrade to the existing Convair, like adding winglets.... I want a 50 year old airframe with turboprops on it!

[NorthCentral580]

I grew up in central Wisconsin.  Spent many hours out at our local airport watching Convair 440s, but mostly 580s land and take-off.  In addition, my bedroom window was on the final approach to one of the runways to the airport.  Have fond memories of 580s making their final approach and flying over the house with their landing lights shining brightly.  Had the opportunity to fly aboard the CV-580 on a couple of occasions as a teenager.  One very memorable trip was a roundtrip flight aboard North Central 580s between Green Bay and Detroit.  Flight made brief stops at GRR and LAN.

 

I too would like to see Convairs added to the game.

[berubium]

My home airport still gets daily CV-580 service to this day!!!

I used to work for a courier company & would load that plane with airfreight at the end of the day.  The pilots love operating them & the builders plate on one of planes that I used to frequently load says that it was built in 1953!

[ResidentEVO]

My home airport still gets daily CV-580 service to this day!!!

I used to work for a courier company & would load that plane with airfreight at the end of the day.  The pilots love operating them & the builders plate on one of planes that I used to frequently load says that it was built in 1953!

 

One of the Turbo Otters that my company flies was built in '51!  It's #24 off the line.

[Niskan]

I would love to see those in the game, the Convair liners are my favorite ! 

[MrTrash]

Since the DC-8 Super Seventies are in game….

I might allow this one. The Grumman Gulfstream I-C also makes a case for this.

However, still thinking no on the Super 27.

[clarion3]

Whilst I hate to revive an old thread, but I felt this was an important one to revive. The Convair 580/600 is needed in the game. The performance differences are significant, comparable to that of the 70-series DC-8s. Several cherished, historic carriers had these "prop-jet" Convairs which soldiered on well into the 90s with commuter carriers (and even 1 major, though NW may have retired them in '89.. my memory is fuzzy).

I have taken the liberty of compiling some proposed specifications for both. I'll cite the current data for the piston drivin Convairliners (240/340/440) already in the game and the data published on Prop-Liners.com as my base, along with runway data from short field airports both the 580 and 600 flew in/out of regularly in scheduled service with Air Chatham in NZ along with Trans Texas Airways/Texas International throughout Arkansas/Louisiana, and last recorded conversion dates for the planes for end of production. 

 

Name: Convair CV-580

Family: Convairliner

Average Speed: 325 mph

Max Seats: 52

Range: 1,863 miles (2,866 max)

Turn Time: 20 min

Average Min. Runway Length: 4,254 ft

Base Price: $16,200,000

Monthly Lease: $180,000

Delivery Starts: January 19th, 1960

Production Ends: End of 1969

Engines: 2

Name: Allison 501-D13D

Thrust: 3,800

Weight: 1,750

Fuel Flow: 2,930

Adjusted Price: 16,200,000

Adjusted Lease: 180,000

Adusted Speed: 325

Adjusted Range: 1,863 (2,866 max)

Adjusted Min. Runway Length: 4,254 ft

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Name: Convair CV-600

Family: Convairliner

Average Speed: 309 mph

Max Seats: 48

Range: 1,235 miles (1,900 max)

Turn Time: 20 min

Average Min. Runway Length: 4,098 ft

Base Price: $13,900,000

Monthly Lease: $154,444

Delivery Starts: May 20th, 1965

Production Ends: End of 1968

Engines: 2

Name: Rolls Royce Dart RDa10 Mk 542-4

Thrust: 2,750

Weight: 1,560

Fuel Flow: 2,540

Adjusted Price: 13,900,000

Adjusted Lease: 154,444

Adusted Speed: 309

Adjusted Range: 1,235 (1,900 max)

Adjusted Min. Runway Length: 4,098 ft

 

Additionally, I would like to note/request the production dates for the piston-driven Convairliners be corrected. In the game, currently, all of the piston-driven Convairliners end production at the end of 1965. The last Convair 440 was delivered in June of 1959, last Convair 340 was delivered in September of 1955, and the last Convair 240 was delivered sometime during 1954 (though, to the military, the last civilian 240 was delivered in 1952, I believe). These dates are quite a bit off from 1965.