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[Jarkii]

Hey there, Jarkii here, i would like a feature to be implemented into the game to reduce mass-spam - Aircraft age expiry

 

This will automatically scrap aircraft when they reach a certain age, and may vary between aircraft.

 

I always aim to replace my aircraft when they reach 20-ish years of age. i sometimes see airlines with 40 year old aircraft in vast numbers, which resembles spam.

 

thanks, Jarkii

[Med.]

If you want to reduce spam, you can start by not operating spamlines.

[Hake.]

Reduce spam by cutting down on the amount of small airlines? What type of aircraft do you think they can afford? Plus, take the likes of Delta's DC 9s or Buffalo Airways entire fleet - aircraft can be operated for as long as necessary.

[DWProski]

But don't you usually run spamlines? I remember seeing you in R4 with like 250ish MD83's that were around 25 years old at that time.

[konj1]

Most real airlines have fleets older than 10 on average so that would mean planes over 20 are not rare either. Average fleet age of Delta Air Lines is 17.1 years according to their own public data... Iran Air's average is 26.8 according to Wikipedia.

 

And who knows how many 732s still run safely with some smaller airlines in the developed world and even more in less developed countries and their production ended in 1988.

 

So I just don't know why 20-ish would be any limit for obligatory standard.

 

 

Personally, I often replace older planes in AE and I think there should be some more serious repercussions for keeping them than there are now, but your arguments for fixed and forced retirement don't make sense.

[Jarkii]

Most real airlines have fleets older than 10 on average so that would mean planes over 20 are not rare either. Average fleet age of Delta Air Lines is 17.1 years according to their own public data... Iran Air's average is 26.8 according to Wikipedia.

 

And who knows how many 732s still run safely with some smaller airlines in the developed world and even more in less developed countries and their production ended in 1988.

 

So I just don't know why 20-ish would be any limit for obligatory standard.

 

 

Personally, I often replace older planes in AE and I think there should be some more serious repercussions for keeping them than there are now, but your arguments for fixed and forced retirement don't make sense.my 

I didn't suggest that the age expiration would be 20-ish years, i was saying 30-40ish. 20-ish years is when i replace my airplanes in my choice.

[rdr1986]

The thing to remember is (both realistically and simulated within numbers here) aircraft don't age like cars do - mostly due to all of the REQUIRED maintenance to continue operating them. That and the fact that it is by far still the safest way to travel, they just don't get damaged that much (when compared to say, road/personal vehicles). Lots of great real world examples have already been listed (DL and the DC-9s/80s)...and as someone who has worked closely with many airlines, my favorite example is American! Their average fleet age is somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-28 years, and I've personally noticed some of those MD-80s they just love to run are going on (ahem) 35 YEARS...

 

So yes, aircraft can be operated far beyond the years of most peoples' personal vehicles. Most airlines will continue to operate them until the maintenance costs (a lot of it because no one makes parts they need anymore) begin to outweigh the cost of just buying something new to replace it.

[buckeyecapsfan19]

The thing to remember is (both realistically and simulated within numbers here) aircraft don't age like cars do - mostly due to all of the REQUIRED maintenance to continue operating them. That and the fact that it is by far still the safest way to travel, they just don't get damaged that much (when compared to say, road/personal vehicles). Lots of great real world examples have already been listed (DL and the DC-9s/80s)...and as someone who has worked closely with many airlines, my favorite example is American! Their average fleet age is somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-28 years, and I've personally noticed some of those MD-80s they just love to run are going on (ahem) 35 YEARS...

 

So yes, aircraft can be operated far beyond the years of most peoples' personal vehicles. Most airlines will continue to operate them until the maintenance costs (a lot of it because no one makes parts they need anymore) begin to outweigh the cost of just buying something new to replace it.

Damn shame AA is getting rid of ALL of their MadDawgs, even the ones they got from the TWA merger.....  

[Exodus]

A way to make it slightly more realistic would be to track aircraft flight hours and (at least financially) make aircraft require C- and D-checks. That way it would become much more costly to operate aircraft 20 hours per week especially as they get older. Given increased costs, airlines would then have a choice to either keep paying heavily for that maintenance or invest in a new aircraft.

An automated scrapping is a no-go for me, no matter how old the aircraft is ! Airlines should always have the choice on how they manage their fleet.