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[The Airbus Guy]

52% average loadfactor. Not 52% minimum.

 

That average could easily be attained by a lot of very full flights, then a lot of very empty flights.

 

Really, I dunno why they'd pick an empty plane. If they'd got all the planes crammed to capacity, they could have pushed the death-toll ever higher and made the "terrorist attack" look worse. Or they could just have taken some old 757 and crashed it with 0 passengers, leaving no pesky relatives to investigate.

 

 

I agree with you but it is the fact that the actual load wasn't even near the average. I would of understood if it was more closer to 52% 

 

 

Anyways that aside, I don't really know happened on 9/11 but for me am not buying that it was a terrorist attack. We are talking about USA one of the most powerful countries in the world let not 1 but 4 airlines go off course. Way off course. I've seen fighter jets intercept and aircraft for small things. Not saying that it would of prevented it, but there wasn't even a jet sent out. If you look at the Helios Flight 522 it took just under 10 minutes for 2 F-16's and this is only in Cyprus.

 

 

Honesty, I think the US government knew about it and let it happened or that they even had something to do with it because I don't believe how 4 airliners are hijacked and flying around US airspace without the US air force not doing anything.

[SirMoo]

I agree with you but it is the fact that the actual load wasn't even near the average. I would of understood if it was more closer to 52% 

 

 

Anyways that aside, I don't really know happened on 9/11 but for me am not buying that it was a terrorist attack. We are talking about USA one of the most powerful countries in the world let not 1 but 4 airlines go off course. Way off course. I've seen fighter jets intercept and aircraft for small things. Not saying that it would of prevented it, but there wasn't even a jet sent out. If you look at the Helios Flight 522 it took just under 10 minutes for 2 F-16's and this is only in Cyprus.

 

 

Honesty, I think the US government knew about it and let it happened or that they even had something to do with it because I don't believe how 4 airliners are hijacked and flying around US airspace without the US air force not doing anything.

 

You understand how an average is calculated right? Lets do some basic math...You take all the flight numbers... add them up... then divide by the number of flights... This means to get a number some flights can be super empty and some can be super full... This was obviously the case that this particular flight was empty-ish. Creating a conspiracy out of air doesn't mean there is a conspiracy, it just means you're too childish to use logic, or you have political motive to say why air is bad for you in the first place. Generally those who make up conspiracies are trying to profit off of it in some way. They're just as bad as those their conspiring against. 

 

The airlines did not go that dramatically of course. And ATC records show there were numerous times they tried to figure out what they were doing. But during this time there was virtually no threat so little concern about planes straying. 

 

What the flying ****. You just compared a small Island like Cyprus to the US? Seeing as how that country is in a cold-war like state... Yeah... Pretty sure they're constantly ready to go to battle. US hasn't really fought a war on mainland soil since what... British sent the Canadians in to burn down the Whitehouse? This was the first REAL threat to the US since Pearl Harbor...

 

Your constant comments that a jet was not sent up is completely inaccurate and wrong. Once the second tower was hit and it was identified that it was not an accident, the actual deployment of jets was rather rapid. If I'm not mistaken Washing DC airspace was in complete lock down to anything but US jets and many jets were deployed without weapons as there was no time to arm them. NORAD took over US airspace control and Canadian Fighters were deployed to escort commercial jets OUT of the US and to Canada so US fights could do other things. While the fighters never reached UA93, they were indeed sent to it and the only option, since they had no munitions, was to ram it if necessary. When you look at the scale of how many planes were in the US... To be certain which planes were hijacked would have been an impossible feat.

 

I'm sorry, but your comments are without merit like all the conspiracy theories on the subject. I've read them. I remember the entire incident when I was a kid. But to even give these bull**** propaganda tools the time of day is sad. The US Government ****ed up... that's pretty damn clear. It's been well stated that they knew a threat was emanate but did nothing. But to make things up out of what you perceive should be there, even though you're hardly educated enough to make a call on the subject, is pathetic.

[zipp]

Helios 522 crashed in Greece, so it was the Greek Air Force as well

[the DOC]

Helios 522 crashed in Greece, so it was the Greek Air Force as well

I watched ACI on that crash. Can't remember what happened but still it was a highly unusual/odd/interesting story 

[The Airbus Guy]

You understand how an average is calculated right? Lets do some basic math...You take all the flight numbers... add them up... then divide by the number of flights... This means to get a number some flights can be super empty and some can be super full... This was obviously the case that this particular flight was empty-ish. Creating a conspiracy out of air doesn't mean there is a conspiracy, it just means you're too childish to use logic, or you have political motive to say why air is bad for you in the first place. Generally those who make up conspiracies are trying to profit off of it in some way. They're just as bad as those their conspiring against. 

 

The airlines did not go that dramatically of course. And ATC records show there were numerous times they tried to figure out what they were doing. But during this time there was virtually no threat so little concern about planes straying. 

 

What the flying ****. You just compared a small Island like Cyprus to the US? Seeing as how that country is in a cold-war like state... Yeah... Pretty sure they're constantly ready to go to battle. US hasn't really fought a war on mainland soil since what... British sent the Canadians in to burn down the Whitehouse? This was the first REAL threat to the US since Pearl Harbor...

 

Your constant comments that a jet was not sent up is completely inaccurate and wrong. Once the second tower was hit and it was identified that it was not an accident, the actual deployment of jets was rather rapid. If I'm not mistaken Washing DC airspace was in complete lock down to anything but US jets and many jets were deployed without weapons as there was no time to arm them. NORAD took over US airspace control and Canadian Fighters were deployed to escort commercial jets OUT of the US and to Canada so US fights could do other things. While the fighters never reached UA93, they were indeed sent to it and the only option, since they had no munitions, was to ram it if necessary. When you look at the scale of how many planes were in the US... To be certain which planes were hijacked would have been an impossible feat.

 

I'm sorry, but your comments are without merit like all the conspiracy theories on the subject. I've read them. I remember the entire incident when I was a kid. But to even give these bull**** propaganda tools the time of day is sad. The US Government ****ed up... that's pretty damn clear. It's been well stated that they knew a threat was emanate but did nothing. But to make things up out of what you perceive should be there, even though you're hardly educated enough to make a call on the subject, is pathetic.

 

Not even gonna argue with you. First off am not a conspiracy theorist nor am I hardly educated (hmm degree in aviation). If you want to talk about basic maths than I think you need a lecture because that is NOT how most airlines calculate average load factors. Anyways I wish you all the best in your pointless replies so am just gonna leave it at that.  

 

 

 

Helios 522 crashed in Greece, so it was the Greek Air Force as well

 

Who said I was referring to US Air Force in Greece? I was referring to the Greek Air Force in Greece NOT the US.  

[Stevphfeniey]

Why does this thread exist?

[the DOC]

Why does this thread exist?

so more people can waste their time about stuff that happened years ago....

[zipp]

so more people can waste their time about stuff that happened years ago....

Why don't you run your alliance and try and get ready for Coup Du Essence

[the DOC]

try and get ready for Coup Du Essence

what on earth is that? and perhaps it should be "Coup d'Essence"....

[TNT88]

Are Aliens real?

The possibility of its existence are too big to ignore. There are more possibility for us to find alien compared to human to achieve world peace in the next 100 years.
How big the possibility are? here some picture to sum up how big it is:

 

 

One of those dots are our star

[Hake.]

Are Aliens real?
The possibility of its existence are too big to ignore. There are more possibility for us to find alien compared to human to achieve world peace in the next 100 years.
How big the possibility are? here some picture to sum up how big it is:


Presumably aliens exist as plants on some far away planet

One of those dots are our star