Maxed out configs

Why do most people max out the seats on all planes? What 777-200 actually have 7F 80C 362Y etc etc.  I use configs based on seat guru, its not hard, why can't most people bother with this?

 

The reason for the moan is that airlines will 5000 planes with 250 A380s in maxed out configurations just make it harder for most realistic airlines where profit isn't the leading factor in the game

While I usually do semi-realistic everything with proper configs, I recently went to S3B for some fun, with maxed configs, scam IFS, full util etc. And just by doing that, I'm having a lot more fun, so I presume people do that since after all this is game, and you game to have fun. Also, it makes it even more easier to turn high route yields. 

Well, pesonally I don't like these airlines because I like a good reputation aswell as profits and a good IFS, like your average airline.

Or better yet, make "realistic" mean realistic. No airline has 700, 800, 1000 airplanes let alone 2500-5000. Make the realistic worlds have airplane limits. This will create legitimate price wars and competitive scheduling instead of me making $130000/per day on an MCI-PHX using a 707 with twice a day service but I have no chance against a 2300 aircraft airline who has 3 aircraft types in his fleet which each number over 300 and has at least 40 of every other type and then sends 810s, Brits and Yukons 28-35x per day. There are only 24 hours in a day!!!

Or better yet, make "realistic" mean realistic. No airline has 700, 800, 1000 airplanes let alone 2500-5000. Make the realistic worlds have airplane limits. This will create legitimate price wars and competitive scheduling instead of me making $130000/per day on an MCI-PHX using a 707 with twice a day service but I have no chance against a 2300 aircraft airline who has 3 aircraft types in his fleet which each number over 300 and has at least 40 of every other type and then sends 810s, Brits and Yukons 28-35x per day. There are only 24 hours in a day!!!

And AE only lets you use 20 hours of the said day  

But I really don't support fleet limitations at all, nobody did a realistic airline straight away, it takes time to learn to do one properly and pulling a load of restrictions on airlines means the game will become a lot less fun, yield more complaints and mean many, many people won't be able to start up properly in AE. 

Just my thoughts.

The problem with limits are that it takes away the realism in that respect, as not all airlines are limited by the law in the real world

Or better yet, make "realistic" mean realistic. No airline has 700, 800, 1000 airplanes let alone 2500-5000. Make the realistic worlds have airplane limits. This will create legitimate price wars and competitive scheduling instead of me making $130000/per day on an MCI-PHX using a 707 with twice a day service but I have no chance against a 2300 aircraft airline who has 3 aircraft types in his fleet which each number over 300 and has at least 40 of every other type and then sends 810s, Brits and Yukons 28-35x per day. There are only 24 hours in a day!!!

AAL (incl. Eagle) has ~ 800 planes; AWE (incl. Express) has ~ 600 planes. That's over 1400 aircraft in total. Btw.: AA has 291 737-800s.
Yer I agree with you that huge airline servicing every possible foreign airport from every small home airport are annoying, especially if they occur too often or in too many countries. And it is annoying if you see someone using 50 year old Cl-44s on their trunk routes as they cannot be bothered to replace them.
After all, as someone has pointed out, this game is about fun. It'd be best if as many people as possible could have fun at the same time. Some people have fun creating huge airlines connecting every dot, others have fun creating local airlines with DHC-6s and again other prefer to build realistic airlines with challenges, even copying a real world airline.

Does AAL, including eagle fly 36x a day between MIA-FLL or Mia and anywhere? I don't think so. The other thing is Eagle is a subsidiary as is Republic, American Connection and Skywest. Thing is, they are all considered separate airlines....not all as one. Sure, AA sets/requests routes and fares but in the best interest for themselves and for the minimal interest of keeping their subsidiaries happy by just letting them make enough money. That in mind.....this game has worlds in which you can run more than airline but makes you manage them separately, not as part of a 2500 strong fleet making 1Trillion in profit (that's real?). If we are airline lovers, isn't the challenge of getting my airline past the start up and into profitability and realistic challenges from competitors the fun part. Failure is part of that challenge. AND, since the game is free....it's ok to fail and jump right back on the horse and even more fun if you succeed.

Does AAL, including eagle fly 36x a day between MIA-FLL or Mia and anywhere? I don't think so. The other thing is Eagle is a subsidiary as is Republic, American Connection and Skywest. Thing is, they are all considered separate airlines....not all as one. Sure, AA sets/requests routes and fares but in the best interest for themselves and for the minimal interest of keeping their subsidiaries happy by just letting them make enough money. That in mind.....this game has worlds in which you can run more than airline but makes you manage them separately, not as part of a 2500 strong fleet making 1Trillion in profit (that's real?). If we are airline lovers, isn't the challenge of getting my airline past the start up and into profitability and realistic challenges from competitors the fun part. Failure is part of that challenge. AND, since the game is free....it's ok to fail and jump right back on the horse and even more fun if you succeed.

Yes, part of the fun is the challenge. Especially seasoned players impose extra challenges on themselves. Beginning players otoh usually aim for maximum profit. And it's not so easy to become top 3 of the airline worth list, even if you want to.
And yes, 1 trillion profit is absurd. I wouldn't even know what to domwith so much money; you could buy entire countires for that.
Regardin the subsidiaries: In RL those subsidiaries do the regional point to point, small spoke to hub and longhaul feeder flying with aircraft <100 pax. In AE we cannot have subsidiaries, so we have to operate the smaller aircraft ourselves to get those services.
To avoid so high frequencies perhaps one could raise gate & terminal costs at bigger airports. And, while 37x daily is extreme, AAL flies 10x daily MIA-DFW and UAL 15x daily EWR-ORD / -SFO.
What one could do to avoid such problems, is to create "hard" worlds for realistic style airlines (kinda S2 style + other hardships) and "easy" worlds for huge airlines.

I would not mind a hard plane limit in a selected  number of worlds, however I believe doing it as a plane limit would be stupid as it results in airlines simply maximising efficiency in order to effectively evade the limit.

 

If we limited the number of seats that can be offered per day, we would likely see the limit as being more effective.

 

I think this is worth trying, simply to see results.

no need to put limitation to make it more realistic, just put some artificial intelligence on AE passengers.

smarter passengers should opt for better seating config, blacklist and abandon spamlines.

no need to put limitation to make it more realistic, just put some artificial intelligence on AE passengers.

smarter passengers should opt for better seating config, blacklist and abandon spamlines.

That I support. Either charge a given price with OK config, charge a higher price with a very spacy config or charge a much lower price with a very dense config to fill the plane.

And AE only lets you use 20 hours of the said day

But I really don't support fleet limitations at all, nobody did a realistic airline straight away, it takes time to learn to do one properly and pulling a load of restrictions on airlines means the game will become a lot less fun, yield more complaints and mean many, many people won't be able to start up properly in AE. 

Just my thoughts.

 

Its limited to 20 hours for a reason, irl airlines don't even do 20hrs average, let alone 24.

Does AAL, including eagle fly 36x a day between MIA-FLL or Mia and anywhere? I don't think so. The other thing is Eagle is a subsidiary as is Republic, American Connection and Skywest. Thing is, they are all considered separate airlines....not all as one. Sure, AA sets/requests routes and fares but in the best interest for themselves and for the minimal interest of keeping their subsidiaries happy by just letting them make enough money. That in mind.....this game has worlds in which you can run more than airline but makes you manage them separately, not as part of a 2500 strong fleet making 1Trillion in profit (that's real?). If we are airline lovers, isn't the challenge of getting my airline past the start up and into profitability and realistic challenges from competitors the fun part. Failure is part of that challenge. AND, since the game is free....it's ok to fail and jump right back on the horse and even more fun if you succeed.

Well, Aer Lingus fly 14x daily flights DUB-LHR, Ryanair have 305 Boeing 737-800s and do 13 daily DUB- London. To be honest I don't know an airline which has such a high frequency.

Plenty of airlines do use dense seating plans; see some of the stories about easyJet demanding 192 seats on future A320s. I personally like the idea that my planes are greener per passenger mile by having dense seating.


Big airlines is more to do with high demand and high profit margins.

Does AAL, including eagle fly 36x a day between MIA-FLL or Mia and anywhere? I don't think so. The other thing is Eagle is a subsidiary as is Republic, American Connection and Skywest. Thing is, they are all considered separate airlines....not all as one. Sure, AA sets/requests routes and fares but in the best interest for themselves and for the minimal interest of keeping their subsidiaries happy by just letting them make enough money. That in mind.....this game has worlds in which you can run more than airline but makes you manage them separately, not as part of a 2500 strong fleet making 1Trillion in profit (that's real?). If we are airline lovers, isn't the challenge of getting my airline past the start up and into profitability and realistic challenges from competitors the fun part. Failure is part of that challenge. AND, since the game is free....it's ok to fail and jump right back on the horse and even more fun if you succeed.

They may not fly that frequency because the demand is less consistent in real life. On AE, you might as well fill the demand so you get more gross profit at the same gate cost

Just to add to my above post:
Some people like to win. Not just be realistic or just lol successful - they like to win an that's why there are a lot of big airlines around the place

Personally I would love to be able to set the max hours I can use per day on my fleet, so I could reduce it below 20 to say 16 if I wanted too meaning I don't have to worry about spare time

Or better yet, make "realistic" mean realistic. No airline has 700, 800, 1000 airplanes let alone 2500-5000. Make the realistic worlds have airplane limits. This will create legitimate price wars and competitive scheduling instead of me making $130000/per day on an MCI-PHX using a 707 with twice a day service but I have no chance against a 2300 aircraft airline who has 3 aircraft types in his fleet which each number over 300 and has at least 40 of every other type and then sends 810s, Brits and Yukons 28-35x per day. There are only 24 hours in a day!!!

Delta almost has a 1000 planes in their fleet

Is is possible to win a more or less sandbox game?