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[wintrop]

By requireing a small fee to expand into new regions we could create a more realistic airline world.

Regions would be like countries or parts of the USA, which would allow you to view and purchase gates in those regions, this would also increase speed for smaller airline players.

Also at a certain # or regions you go from a regional airline to multinational to major to International.

The goal being to help the smaller airlines compete with the major airlines in each region.

Also I would love to see a pie chart for each region showing the dominate airlines, and when the Internationals start to dominate the Regions (just like goverments) would limite the % of gates they could have.

Also each airline could have a home region, headquarters etc.. So each of us could show our national pride by headquartering our airlines in our home regions.

just a thought

[Glennos]

I like the idea of paying a premium to be able to say run cross atlantic flights or trans pacific flights. This could go along with a similar idea that was brought up about not allowing "foreign" routes for say the first 6 months to allow airlines that have setup a base to not be "invaded" by an airline from another part of the world.

In a future version of the Sim there will be regional rankings ;-)

It's good to keep thinking up idea's, alot of them have made it into the game and alot more to follow soon

[Elchie]

Sounds good. Any ideas about the "premium" prices? So when I want to fly FRA - JFK and my homebase is located in the EU, what should the premium be?

[wintrop]

Not a premium price, you don't pay a price per route between forigen countries, that would be (realistic) expensive.

Rather you pay a large sum of money to allow you to expand to the US North East, say 100 million becuse of the distance.

However if you where to expand form germany into Austria, then a mear 1-10million would be better.

Basicly you buy flags/access in diffrent regions which allow you to purchase gates within those regions.

The goal being to cutback on international airlines early in the game, and like in real life only leave it to the major airlines.

This will make contenental competion more difficult, and cut back on the hug income gaps early on in the game.

Countries in Africa, Central American will be the least expensive while in Europe, Aisa and US will be the most expensive.

Which will incurage growth in often ignored aries since there will be less domestic competition and cheaper expansion early on

[mikhail]

I like the idea of paying a premium to be able to say run cross atlantic flights or trans pacific flights. This could go along with a similar idea that was brought up about not allowing "foreign" routes for say the first 6 months to allow airlines that have setup a base to not be "invaded" by an airline from another part of the world.

In a future version of the Sim there will be regional rankings ;-)

It's good to keep thinking up idea's, alot of them have made it into the game and alot more to follow soon

Finally, we are talking business here and this particular suggestion/s has been noticed at last. Hope everyone will be on the same page and get into an agreement so these can be implemented sooner the better...thanks.

[paliair]

This is not real life. Airports pay airlines to start flying into a given city. The airlines may get 1 year of free rent or a reduction in landing fees. But NO airline pays to fly into and airport other than landing fees and gate rental. I do not agree that I should have to pay a premium to fly somewhere??? The only exceptions to this in real life is LGA, DCA in the states as they are slot controlled and if there are no slots then you can't fly there.

[mikhail]

This is not real life. Airports pay airlines to start flying into a given city. The airlines may get 1 year of free rent or a reduction in landing fees. But NO airline pays to fly into and airport other than landing fees and gate rental. I do not agree that I should have to pay a premium to fly somewhere??? The only exceptions to this in real life is LGA, DCA in the states as they are slot controlled and if there are no slots then you can't fly there.

Then don't fly there...lol just kidding. Seriously, that is the neg side of it. It isn't that realistic but if we just not allow the airline to just place a route or routes anywhere in the world unless a route has been established from its home base then we will all be on the same footing and the challenge of really building an empire would kick off.

At this present set up...airlines are just free to grab or hug any major airport in the world and saturate the market leaving nothing even for the local airlines based in that region.

I don't know why, but the issue on gate saturation has always been an issue ever since and tons of suggestions has been given but still here we are dealing on the same issue again.

If only we can all agree to not allow airlines to fly outside their home region unless they comply to the following:
1. A route/s has been or have been established between homebase and destination of choice outside home region.
2. Foreign airlines are not allowed to fly domestic flights in countries outside their own unless there is an open skies agreement between the two government. Although technical/fuel stops are allowed for a certain landing/take-off fees but couldn't pick-up or drop-off pax. This could greatly protect local airlines from getting overwhelmed. Eg los angeles-fiji (technical/fuel stop)-sydney
3. If number 2 is implemented, then code sharing agreement between airlines would be a very nice addon. Though airlines are still allowed to fly point to point services from cities of choice to other destinations outside host country for as long as a connection to homebase can be established. Again, domestic services are exclusively the domain of local airlines in that particular country. Eg. London-new york-vancouver
4. On foreign hubs, the present set up is perfect but there is a loop hole. Foreign airlines are using this as domestic hub grabbing everything from local airlines or startups. Foreign hubs as I understand it are used by airlines for regional point to point flights eg. Northwest airlines. It's homebase is st. Paul/minneapolis and they have a hub at tokyo-narita for their asian regional flights. So all their flights destined to asi from the US are all sent to narita and from narita to their final destinations.

[Conor]

Sometimes we have to loose a bit of realism to add to the fairness of the game

[wintrop]

All valid points but, you must realize that the GOVERNMENTS, prevent airlines form expanding into there countries not the airports (who are more than happy to grow)!

So by paying a fee to beable to buy gates in a country you are taxing just like the governemnts!

This can bedone 1 of 2 ways:
1) flat fee to go into a region
2) a mothly fee for having your airline in there country, Making it more expensive for your airline to stay in the region, and cutting your competitive advantage, say 5-10% of revenue!

[Mdlewry]

It All Sounds like you are trying to make new players want to leave AE because of the complications you would be adding for them to expand worldwide. I only joined AE so that i could own a virtual airline that i could fly to my dream destinations; not being taxed to do so. All in all, i personally believe that would be unfair to new players, but help the older players to snap up routes more quickly, without even having a smigden of consideratrion for new players, wich is NOT what AE is about.