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[caro]

Something wierd happening got this on Used A/C page:
Private Sales

Type Airline Engines Age Current
Value Asking Price Purchase
Beech 1900D rising sun 2 United Technologies PT6A-67D 5 $5,931,734 $3,327,790 View

Never have contacted this airline nor dealt with. Is he trying to give me it or try and get me in trouble or something? I'm very confused, howver in the meantime I have not taken it. I will only take half priced from public market as some already know my view on private sales.

That one is mine. Please check out this http://forums.airlin...51778#post51778.

Can I have it back?

[travelhouse]

Thats how I play it, I won't hold onto those A/C unless it's 1900D and maybe even. It's far more productive to resell you get 2 days of earnings in minutes and with no gate investment/liability

Guess you can argue the fact that if you do not buy it some other player will and make the cash.

This is why Miller needs to limit the amount you can sell any frame and the figure of 20% + or - sounds like a viable way to stem the feeder flow.

Not to say that 99% of those in the TOP 15 Now have been doing this what you stated, and this is in a way ( Gaining Un-fair Advantage ) but it is the way this game is structured right now so good on you for spending the time of hitting F5 - I will advance in the true spirit of the way the game should be palyed.

[travelhouse]

ditto - read other post......just hope you never got the $5,931,734 B1900 for this price as stated... $3,327,790

[galapagapop]

I declined offer, and read bugs section I believe he got it back A-okay. Still buggy eh?

[caro]

You're wrong on this one travelhouse; that was a system bug, since I offered it on the public market for 6mil.

I'm a fair and square player.

[galapagapop]

Guess you can argue the fact that if you do not buy it some other player will and make the cash.

This is why Miller needs to limit the amount you can sell any frame and the figure of 20% + or - sounds like a viable way to stem the feeder flow.

Not to say that 99% of those in the TOP 15 Now have been doing this what you stated, and this is in a way ( Gaining Un-fair Advantage ) but it is the way this game is structured right now so good on you for spending the time of hitting F5 - I will advance in the true spirit of the way the game should be palyed.

Well that has ALWAYS been the case. I'd love to see it changed, but it is true. For me I accept it, but for me the difference is if it's public versus private. That is where the unfair adantage is an unfair advantage.

[travelhouse]

You're wrong on this one travelhouse; that was a system bug, since I offered it on the public market for 6mil.

I'm a fair and square player.

Read your post and you will see we over lapped in reply's

[drv4truk]

How about no aircraft for purchase or sale at all until the airline makes a set DOP per day or month, maybe tie it in with the credit rating so that is actually doing something. That way, all aircraft would be leased (like gates) at least until the game moves on some.

[travelhouse]

How about no aircraft for purchase or sale at all until the airline makes a set DOP per day or month, maybe tie it in with the credit rating so that is actually doing something. That way, all aircraft would be leased (like gates) at least until the game moves on some.

Viable Yes, Credit is there and does NIL right now so could be a method to give a lot of thought too

[LOT 737-300]

I don't know, sometimes selling planes is a great way to get out of the red when you need to. Personally, I think it should be kept the way it is, only thing is that these airlines that live off of Feeder they created themselves must be punished much quicker as its making life hard in the game.

[drv4truk]

It would be a fair way to do it, as all airlines would end up with the same lease rates. That means starting the game with cash and leasing your gates and aircraft to start with. That way everyone can pick whatever aircraft they want instead of going right to selling the B19/J31 and buying from there.

[LOT 737-300]

Could be, maybe miller should concider playing with that idea, I'm sure people are sick and tired of starting with B1900Ds and having to compete with many other people on short routes.

[Pacific Sun Airways]

then you guys would complain that some people wouldnt get their planes for 2 months and just having an airline doing nothing when you ordered..

at least this way everyone has an equal beginning in that thye have simular planes.. oh well not like real airlines start out with a330's .. and the only reason the game survives 10 years is because you start with the littler planes, if you started bigger, you would need resets more frequently due to lack of gates.

[travelhouse]

PSA's idea has merit but it would have to be that you still get the same AC as all other players, only difference is that you will lease / rent it not own it, untill you have enough funds to buy outright after you kick off. Then you return (Use the Mothball Option) and you are free to trade and do what you like.

This way there would be NO FEEDERS offering AC as they will not be able to sell any

[LOT 737-300]

then you guys would complain that some people wouldnt get their planes for 2 months and just having an airline doing nothing when you ordered..

at least this way everyone has an equal beginning in that thye have simular planes.. oh well not like real airlines start out with a330's .. and the only reason the game survives 10 years is because you start with the littler planes, if you started bigger, you would need resets more frequently due to lack of gates.

Well, if you read my earlier post, you see that I'm not the largest supporter of this idea myself. But since this is just a free game (only cost really is time). But maybe the costs should be much higher for craft like A380s, 747-400Ds and other popular larger planes so that owning them would be conciderably cheaper than leasing them, that way the game would be still be fair and also, a policy that is used with gates in the game could be used with planes, you don't use for a max of 3 months, then you lose the plane. Also, since the plane is not your's, it will not add to your value.

[LeipeLimbo]

PSA's idea has merit but it would have to be that you still get the same AC as all other players, only difference is that you will lease / rent it not own it, untill you have enough funds to buy outright after you kick off. Then you return (Use the Mothball Option) and you are free to trade and do what you like.

This way there would be NO FEEDERS offering AC as they will not be able to sell any

excellent idea indeed I say

[travelhouse]

excellent idea indeed I say

Thanks Thought my good looks would shine some day

[drv4truk]

then you guys would complain that some people wouldnt get their planes for 2 months and just having an airline doing nothing when you ordered.

:puzzled: I wouldn't want to see a limit on the number of planes for lease available. But, between the initial lease price and the starting cash, nobody should be able to start with an A319. Maybe enough for a Q4 and a B19 or 2 D328's or even 3 B19's, but not 2 Saabs or 2 Q4's. The idea is to let everyone start with leased aircraft and then as they improve, they purchase aircraft and return the leased aircraft. The lease shouldn't be binding as you should be able to return the aircraft at anytime. In order to be fair, the lease rates could be set by 15% of profits for that aircraft for the month, or of course just by a flat rate. Or a combination of both. By using a percentage of profits to charge lease rates, it gives the less profitable airlines a chance.

[UAL747DEN]

I am so sick of these feeders and the people buying the aircraft. If you buy an aircraft that you know is coming from a feeder you should have it taken away with no reimbursement. CUNARD you know that you are supporting a feeder and yet you buy it??? If you see the aircraft put up for sale you should report it and leave it alone.......

And I do like the ideas being discussed in here...

Travelhouse,
Your idea of 20% would be great if it was only for like the first month (real time) of play. After that aircraft obviously go for all different prices for all different reasons but for the first month the 20% thing would keep cheating down a lot.......

[BarbulaM1]

In real life you have investors and can start with 65 A319s (look at SkyBus) .