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[NicholaiGaul]

To the wonderful AE Moderators and Admins, I apologies if I violate any rules in this forum.

 

This is a real quick RANT WARNING I want to throw out, and let all the players be aware of something going on.

 

I've been playing this game a lot lately since October, and I love on how realistic this online airline tycoon game is. However, since World R1 has resetted a few months ago, and after winning in S3-A in first place with airline reputation, I decided to give World R1 a shot, as it lasts through the entire jet age, from the start, to where we'll be 10 years from now. However, for the past three days now, my airline, along with others, are being starved from one other airline that is charging ticket prices so low to the point where you can't even make a profit, and basically starving airlines until they leave that route.

 

The airline that I am talking about is THE FLYING COW. From being in another community, (specifically the furry fandom,) we have something called "Artists Beware," where we alert others on scammers, cheap-scats, and others who are real jerks! Well, allow me to explain a little more on what Flying Cow is doing, and how this whole fiasco started between Paw Airways and Flying Cow, as I have tried contacting other airlines in that world about the problem, but always keep on getting error messages when I try to send one off.

 

It all first happened when I was still setting up DC-9-30s and -40s in Memphis, and soon enough, I saw that I was losing passengers on one route to California. (Can't remember what the destination was. Sorry, guys.) And what was going on was that Flying Cow was carrying double the demand for economy, and was charging $19 for the 1,500+ mile long flight. I tried my hardest to compete against it, but couldn't make a profit at that price for tickets. So, I soon found a sweet spot where I could still make a profit on that route, and have lost half of my passengers on that route. I soon contacted Flying Cow, asking on how they're still up in the air with DC-7s, TU-114s, and CL-44 Yukons. Later on, they basically 'moo'd back at me, and started directly competing against me, all over a civil conversation since I was a curious cabbit and had to ask on how they're still up in the air with their kind of pricing.

 

Fast-forward to now, where I'm in a state of panic and frustration. Flying Cow is starving Paw Airways so much right now, to the point where I'm even starting to struggle on finding airports to set up hubs at to continue expanding. I would say what I'm going to be doing with all of my DC-10s, 747s, and L-1011s that I have preordered, but I'm not going to, since Flying Cow would probably come back around and yank my tail off again.

 

My question to you all is, are any of you facing the same problems with THE FLYING COW; to where they are starving you and your friends on routes in World R1 to the point where you have to end service on that route and find where else to send your planes?

 

What sickens me the most is their motto. "Let's say Mooo to our competitors!" Does that moo follow by a nuclear bomb being dropped on every US based airline, who is just simply playing the game for fun?

 

I SAY LET'S SLAUGHTER THESE COWS, AND MAKE THEM CRIPPLE UNDER THEIR OWN BUSINESS MODEL!!!

 

Thank you so much everyone for reading, and please share your thoughts on this in the comments below! I really do want to hear some feedback about this whole situation with THE FLYING COW.Let's sy to our competitors

[KawaiiBert]

everyone says that the passenger system is based on a mathematical algoritm, so i can think about 2 things, a bug/or false in the mathematical algoritm or free marketworking. i think the last, because if you have more capacity on a route, your reputation will increase, so more people will choose that route, and because i can make a TU-114 profitable with 4 daily pax, i think that is the case. but youre right it an unsportsmanslike way of playing.

[NicholaiGaul]

everyone says that the passenger system is based on a mathematical algoritm, so i can think about 2 things, a bug/or false in the mathematical algoritm or free marketworking. i think the last, because if you have more capacity on a route, your reputation will increase, so more people will choose that route, and because i can make a TU-114 profitable with 4 daily pax, i think that is the case. but youre right it an unsportsmanslike way of playing.

Agreed! The way how Flying Cow is competing in against 50+ other airlines based in the US in R1, is very aggressive! I simply play Airline Empires for fun, not as a sport. People who play laid back games such as Airline Empires, that plays aggressively with harsh guerrilla-like tactics are like the kind of stereotypical MLG player you would find on a popular FPS game.

 

It just simply takes the fun away from the game, and becomes a war to keep your airline up in the air!

[Pineair]

That sort of player often fails to last long in a world as they get bored, just hang in there R1 has a long way to go.

Last time I came up against a player who flooded routes at silly prices I found that if you reset price to default you actually picked up more passengers and made a profit. Might not be the case now as the game is constantly being tweeked

[Bluecookieboy]

Although I haven't had any confrontation with the flying cow I know how you feel! I hate it, the amount of airlines I have declared bankrupt because of this 😂😂😂

[NicholaiGaul]

That sort of player often fails to last long in a world as they get bored, just hang in there R1 has a long way to go.

Last time I came up against a player who flooded routes at silly prices I found that if you reset price to default you actually picked up more passengers and made a profit. Might not be the case now as the game is constantly being tweeked

Alright then. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for passing the tip on to an epic blue cabbit who loves big jets! 

[NicholaiGaul]

Although I haven't had any confrontation with the flying cow I know how you feel! I hate it, the amount of airlines I have declared bankrupt because of this

It's a true pain for anyone's tail or tail-bone. Even though I declared bankruptcy on Paw Airways three times already in other worlds, I'd really would have to lose all of my hard work in R1 that got me to where I am now. Which is why I made this forum, giving everyone a heads up on a "bully airline" that's not being fair on the playground. 

[Zentorno]

I know what you mean mate, literally.

 

There's another similar airline in R1 which is starving the Brazilian market, Low Cost Americas. They're bringing their prices down to near non-profitable, especially on international routes, often charging $200 on a route whose deafult ticket price is $600-700, and spamming basically every single route with, like, 7-8 daily flights with the Yukons, DC-7s and Tu-114s. 

 

About that, Pineair is right. I'll focus on fleet modernization/upgrading (727s, 737s, 747s, DC-10s, maybe L-1011s) to combat that low cost spamming. Lets see how it ends up!

[NicholaiGaul]

I know what you mean mate, literally.

 

There's another similar airline in R1 which is starving the Brazilian market, Low Cost Americas. They're bringing their prices down to near non-profitable, especially on international routes, often charging $200 on a route whose deafult ticket price is $600-700, and spamming basically every single route with, like, 7-8 daily flights with the Yukons, DC-7s and Tu-114s. 

 

About that, Pineair is right. I'll focus on fleet modernization/upgrading (727s, 737s, 747s, DC-10s, maybe L-1011s) to combat that low cost spamming. Lets see how it ends up!

Just looked them up and THANK GOD that they're not runned by the same player that's controlling Flying Cow.

 

As for terms of the ticket prices, it's almost exactly the same. Flying Cow's charging $100 down to as cheap as $9 on routes that its default ticket prices are between $500 to $1000, and these are on the normal cross country flights done in the states!

 

And as for that decision on getting the L-1011 Tristar, GET IT!!! I've never flew the DC-10s yet, but I did do the comparison, and the L-1011 models have a lower fuel burn and a cheaper leasing price compared to most other DC-10s. I can already guarantee that you'll be very satisfied with how all of the L-1011 models perform compare to the DC-10s. 

[Zentorno]

Just looked them up and THANK GOD that they're not runned by the same player that's controlling Flying Cow.

 

As for terms of the ticket prices, it's almost exactly the same. Flying Cow's charging $100 down to as cheap as $9 on routes that its default ticket prices are between $500 to $1000, and these are on the normal cross country flights done in the states!

 

And as for that decision on getting the L-1011 Tristar, GET IT!!! I've never flew the DC-10s yet, but I did do the comparison, and the L-1011 models have a lower fuel burn and a cheaper leasing price compared to most other DC-10s. I can already guarantee that you'll be very satisfied with how all of the L-1011 models perform compare to the DC-10s. 

 

The only thing that sucks about the TriStar is its range I think. While the L-1011 can only go as far as the continental North America (sans Alaska) from GRU, the DC-10 goes as far as Berlin while carrying the same amount of passangers as the L-1011-250. Not to mention the limited capacity of the longer-ranged L-1011-500. But its a great airliner nonethless, thanks for the recommendation!

[konj1]

I think I bumped into Flying Cow once and yeah, I was a bit annoyed.

 

Personally I can't stand when someone uses Soviet planes in Cold War USA, and R1 is a world where planes can get too old so I play 30y worlds where the max can get to something 15 average like big US and EU airlines have at the moment, and I usually still replace those 25 years old. I like having a very big airline, from time to time, but I kinda want those bits of realism.

 

 

But you're over the top with your rant.

 

So you're only in 1970 and you're complaining about a fleet that has DC-7? What?

 

And your rant about "sportsmanship" and "oh I had to change a route" sounds like being a terribly sore loser... "I was losing passengers", "how can anyone have that business model", "it's very aggressive!", well cry me a river... 

And "slaughter the cow", very smart. -.-

 

Why do you think a business simulation game shouldn't be about adapting to your competition and changing routes, and some players aggressively chasing competitors out of the market, and even bankrupting them on purpose?

Sounds like you want an infinite sandbox world. At least don't play in USA if you want less competition, of course you'll bump into some tough nuts to crack at such a market, what did you expect?

 

But yes, what KawaiiBert wrote, such players who dump prices on just everybody tend to get bored, and their aggression might backfire on them so their earnings stay low. Some may linger and annoy through the rest of the game and stay at not really high valuation, that's dumb style some have, but you can live with that.

But some know exactly what they're doing, annoy you and push out on purpose, and you only can compete or get out of the game.

This is also what happens in the real world from time to time especially in the West in the last 30+ yrs after deregulation, so I don't know what do you want now from this game? To introduce restrictions like minimal prices and maximum seats so that your route might stay alive? You think that would be fun? How about single-player just for you? How about a world where we watch paint dry?

As I said, especially if you want to play in US, what do you want?

Being a cry-baby about it won't help you, this is a business simulation, frankly there won't be any new restrictions just to protect you.

Again, go big or go home. 

[zipp]

stop whinging.

k thanks bye

[AlwaysBenevolent]

Outlast the competition or go down and see them triumph.

[Hake.]

How dare they play in accordance with the rules of the game, I miss Yuxi's protectionism.

[bAnderson]

Wait till TNT has his chance at this..

[iquit]

Competition in AE is modeled to be annoying (i.e. you have to adjust your price every few hours, but those without a life may not find it annoying), be it extreme or not; and the only way to get rid of the annoyance is to kill your competitor. What you're saying is that it is alright for you to annoy your competitor (because you're not "extreme") but not the other way round.

 

What you can do is find out the primary account (obviously he is using a secondary account to compete with you) of the player behind your competitor and kill him, or kill him the next time he starts a new airline.

 

What the developer could do is remodel competition in a less annoying way, but I doubt it is ever going to happen.

[The Flying Cow]

Hahaha))))))

Where did you go Paw Airways? I told you not to quit once stuff starts getting exciting

 

Why don't you tell the full story and also explain how you challenged me by telling that if I start competing against you in any of your routes (your "territory", as you textually named it) you gonna "smash" me?

 

Currently in our US market there are 72 other airlines flying, well, after you declared bankruptcy and surrendered, now 71. What do you expect? And we are just starting the 70s'! Wait to see how stuff will start to get "hardcore" in 10-15 years

 

Sweetheart, if you can't read or make sense out of the income statement of your airline and take out any conclusions out of the ton of financial data available in the game, how do you expect to manage an airline (or any type of business?).

Freaking out that I'm flying with old DC-7, Yukons, Tu-114 and (since I entered in September 1967) in less than 3 years I posed such a threat to your airline that you had to quit? Well... What can I say? Probably:

1) your airline was poorly managed as it resulted to be very fragile.

2) you'll miss the learning experience that I had to go through when I played my first world (first game, end up 3rd as could not attend airline during the last 10 years of that world, otherwise I would have won).

 

So... next time use the time you spent writing to The Flying Cow and challenging it on understanding your income statement, understanding the route finance mechanics, and then, perhaps, next time you won't be quitting just because someone is managing a route more efficiently than you.

 

Big hug

The Flying Cow

[NicholaiGaul]

This forum is now closed. Good day, fellow players of Airline Empire.

[zipp]

This forum is now closed. Good day, fellow players of Airline Empire.

Closed like my legs? In that case it's still very much open...

[The Flying Cow]

This forum is now closed. Good day, fellow players of Airline Empire.

Come on, don't be sad about it It's just a game! Cheer up