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[Northern]

Hey
I was just thinking wouldn't it be good if when your starting a new airline you must select the type of airline you are (it can be changed during the game of course) the different options could be ;

Heliline- you are offered helicopters for a start up aircraft

LCC - your default prices are 30% lower than the ones the game already has programmed in

Normal airline -nothing changes!

And other airline types of which I can't think of ( not including business as I believe a mixture of economy and all business aircraft could just go under the normal carrier)

This setting would however not limit your carrier from doing things such as fixed wing flights if you are a heliline or charging the same as a normal airline if you are a LCC

Thoughts?

[Mobeer]

Why would any plane operator choose not to be a LCC? As soon as 1 LCC exists and has 30% lower default fares, it becomes easiest for all other airlines to be LCC so that their prices are competitive.

[KJS607]

not sure about this, although option between airline & heliline would be nice....

[Nexus8]

it is almost impossible to start a heliline at the beginning due to the fact there are never helis on the used market and you have to fly normal planes until your helis arrive.
One way is every world offers a heli at the beginning.

[Northern]

Why would any plane operator choose not to be a LCC? As soon as 1 LCC exists and has 30% lower default fares, it becomes easiest for all other airlines to be LCC so that their prices are competitive.

Hmm I suppose, I probably didn't think this through very well

[Ioh]

no you probably didn't

[kaarlows]

I understand the LCC variation would make sense only if you were not allowed to have IFE/IFS as well you couldn't have choice of seating plan (you would be forced to use only Y-class seats to the maximum). Coupled with this, the game would favor much more the airlines who offered better IFS/IFE and legroom (which seems to not be the case nowadays).

However the Heliline is a great idea because recently I tried to open an airline in MCM and simply couldn't make it happen because it doesn't make part of the open-skies agreement in Europe and I had to pay for a Fokker F27 without ever using it, making my finances unmanageable.

Another idea of airline option is LHC (Long-Haul Carrier), where the cost of airplanes with 4000+ mi range would be cheaper than regular market, while the cost of medium/short range aircrafts would be more expensive. This would make possible to open airlines in remote places like PPT or NAN.

Yet those price incentive options aren't realist in the market sense. I don't see Boeing or Airbus i.e. making those discounts based on your location or type of service, but only on volume of purchases which by the way is already included in AE.

[Yuxi]

Hey
I was just thinking wouldn't it be good if when your starting a new airline you must select the type of airline you are (it can be changed during the game of course) the different options could be ;

Heliline- you are offered helicopters for a start up aircraft

LCC - your default prices are 30% lower than the ones the game already has programmed in

Normal airline -nothing changes!

And other airline types of which I can't think of ( not including business as I believe a mixture of economy and all business aircraft could just go under the normal carrier)

This setting would however not limit your carrier from doing things such as fixed wing flights if you are a heliline or charging the same as a normal airline if you are a LCC

Thoughts?

The definition of LCC is low cost carrier, not necessarily low fare carrier. Cost in this case refers to the airline's costs, not the passenger's.

Yes, LCCness does enable an airline to sustain lower fares when needed in a competition, but this is a result of the business model, not the other way around.

Then look at http://www.airline-e...iew__getnewpost

[Northern]

Just wondering if a heliline could have lower operating costs?

That would be good however we need more helicopters added to the game

[M.F. Ensembleson]

An option is having you pick between the following options:

• Passenger Airline
• Cargo Airlines
• Heliline

Then, you could be given different options between the aircraft offered to you.

[Northern]

An option is having you pick between the following options:

• Passenger Airline
• Cargo Airlines
• Heliline

Then, you could be given different options between the aircraft offered to you.

That's probably the best way to go if this is implemented

[M.F. Ensembleson]

Why thank you.

However, there should also be worlds where the only modes available are Cargo or Heliline.

[Northern]

Why thank you.

However, there should also be worlds where the only modes available are Cargo or Heliline.

Defiantly

[Yuxi]

An option is having you pick between the following options:

• Passenger Airline
• Cargo Airlines
• Heliline

Then, you could be given different options between the aircraft offered to you.

No love for the combis I see...

Even in the real world, passenger and cargo are not mutually exclusive. However, you do have a point, because if we simply add cargo, the biggest airlines in AE will have a mix of A380s and 747Fs. Hmm...

[M.F. Ensembleson]

Yuxi, combining the two could lead to a double mega airline- because if they're this bad w/o cargo, when we add cargo the sugar honey iced tea's gonna hit the fan.

[JamesP]

maybe it should only be an all passenger and an all cargo, like in real world one could be a subsidary of the other, ie. if you're allowed two airlines in a particular world, one could be for pax and one for cargo?

[KJS607]

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[mxax-ai]

The way foxy is suggesting might actually be good. I'd like to see some worlds be onlypax or onlycargo though, not neccesarily as R-worlds, but rather as S-worlds. If we do it like fox's suggesting, routes with both heavy cargo+pax demand will rather see aircraft like the A346, 77W or A300, while routes with a lot of cargo demand compared to pax demand will rather see pure freighters along with smaller pax aircraft (e. g. 757F + E190) or of course the models with cargo and pax on the main deck. Pax-heavy routes would probably see aircraft like the A380, 747s or MD-80s.
Would the measurement for cargo be volume or weight? Because some aircraft are great for volume cargo, others are better for very heavy cargo.