23 replies to this topic

[Kirkland]

Just recently I was on a route where someone with a horrible reputation had a route for $175 that was at $265. I have a great reputation and I have 3-star IFS, yet I have to move my price down to $150 to get my full share of passengers, and then that only got me $43,000 when I should have been getting around $120,000.

I don't know if this is a glitch (if then, FIX IT!) but airlines shouldn't be able to cut their routes like $90 when their the only ones on it. It makes expansion IMPOSSIBLE.

[Kirkland]

First airlines on a route should be forced to stay on the starting price, not go down by $200 or something.,

[M4matthew]

First airlines on a route should be forced to stay on the starting price, not go down by $200 or something.,

It's called competition Although I do agree with you when you say you had to lower your fare to $150 just to get the passengers, realistically you should only have to lower to around $200

[Kirkland]

Forget the second post, but it has to be a glitch that when I'm offering better service for $20 less, I should get my 100%.

[Kirkland]

Fox, I know several people who would snatch that $20. Besides, I'm offering them better service.

[lake]

Spirit offers $9 flights. I don't see DL, WN, US, AA, or B6 complaining on the internet that it's unfair. UA is probably complaining though. UA complains about everything.

[Nexus8]

Obviosly if you have flown on a route longer it is easier to get pax, but it also need to be more realistic by do the the same value method for quality of service which bring up he idea of TRUE budget and luxury airlines.

[KJS607]

Spirit offers $9 flights. I don't see DL, WN, US, AA, or B6 complaining on the internet that it's unfair. UA is probably complaining though. UA complains about everything.

Haha, same here, wenever my LCC's grow big time (e.g. Savair) I put many routes to $0 ($1 coz it dont let free flights) and make fortune

[Chandler Keith Henson]

i think its extremely annoying, and recovering from it bores me and wastes my time, its why im a fan of smaller worlds, where this is less of a problem

a better solution would be to make IFS, IFE, and overall route reputation much more important

say a $175 airline with horrid reputation would get less customers than a $200 to $250 airline with GOOD reputation.

[Kirkland]

No, Fox, some carriers offer BETTER service for LESS and we barely make a profit until we're about $50 lower than them

[violetQueen]

No, Fox, some carriers offer BETTER service for LESS and we barely make a profit until we're about $50 lower than them

Yeah and if the world's full service airlines had figured out your problem they'd all have 90% load factor like airlines in AE... 100% is highly unrealistic, anything over 70% is brilliant in realism terms... 80%+ is only mostly on low cost airlines because they need the high load factor to break even... there are very few if any airlines in the world that have over 90% load factor.

BA vs Ryanair vs easyJet is a good example of a full service airline with roughly 10% less load factor but offering cheaper flights on most of their comparative routes...

[Yuxi]

Are you looking at loadfactor or the raw number number of passengers? If airline A has better service but 5x as much capacity than airline B, airline A should have more passengers than airline B but that doesn't say anything about loadfactor, which is a different question entirely.

[adityapratama]

Anyway, it's just competition, deal with it or find other routes. There are lots of other routes you can try.

[boeingboy]

I would have to agree with you, however I think in the real world airlines can adjust their prices however they want.

[Chandler Keith Henson]

regardless, reputation and IFS should matter a bit more for business class, and alot more for First Class, first class should be all about service.

[Nexus8]

I know when I've flown Business or First I care about the quality just as much as the price otherwise it is not worth it, but eco is different you don't fly eco and expect great service.

[Chandler Keith Henson]

true, but it should have a big factor, a much bigger factor than it does now, i mean better reputation should ALLOW us to have higher rates for F and C than our competitors with lower and especialy horrid reputation and IFS, and should always allow us to at least charge the same price as everyone else.

[QK Flight Industries]

true, but it should have a big factor, a much bigger factor than it does now, i mean better reputation should ALLOW us to have higher rates for F and C than our competitors with lower and especialy horrid reputation and IFS, and should always allow us to at least charge the same price as everyone else.

That seems almost like overkill... how about this?

• For each * in IFE/IFS (rep 20pts) can have the ability to grant 2% more weight up to a total of 10%.
• If the airline in question offers no IFE/IFS, the competing airlines automatically get a bonus of 4% and then compete with eachother to gain additional weight.

[Chandler Keith Henson]

what about up to 15% or 20%?

if no IFE/IFS maybe 5% to 6%

just a bit bigger bonus would be better in my opinion

[QK Flight Industries]

what about up to 15% or 20%?

if no IFE/IFS maybe 5% to 6%

just a bit bigger bonus would be better in my opinion

You don't want to give too much of an edge for just IFE/IFS... remember, AE is designed to be realistic. Most passengers look for cost before IFE/IFS.