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Aotearoa 747 8i



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Connor McMullin

Aotearoa 747 8i

Air Aotearoa had operated the 747 since the release of the 747-200, making it a staple of the fleet for High capacity long haul routes. Destinations such as Los Angeles, Tokyo and Dubai see the 747 continue its tradition, now with the much more fuel efficient 747-8i. There are unfortunately no further plans for the type, and the airline's six 747s will be replaced by the incoming 777-9X

The aircraft featured: Boeing 747-8B5 registered ZK-PEE was delivered on May 19 2014
MSN: 40788
Config: 12F26C34W266Y
Powerplant: X4 General Electric GEnx-2B87



    This is my favorite brand of yours

    ZK-PEE seems legit

    Not entirely sure about the realism.

     

    However the livery is fantastic.

    Not entirely sure about the realism.

     

    However the livery is fantastic.

    I went looking into it and although a stretch, it is possible to have them just in very limited quantity. ANZ I think had 12 747-400s at one point so 6 of the larger -8 seemed reasonable to me

    ZK-PEE seems legit

    no joke what the random letter generator gave me

    no joke what the random letter generator gave me

    Lol nice

    I went looking into it and although a stretch, it is possible to have them just in very limited quantity. ANZ I think had 12 747-400s at one point so 6 of the larger -8 seemed reasonable to me

     

    ANZ only had the 747-400s because the 777 series didn't exist yet and their DC-10s were retired. They needed something with more capacity and extensive range, for the time. Range isn't an issues these days, hence the 747-8i would be unrealistic in this case. Just because an airline operated a 747-400, the majority of -400 customers didn't reorder the -8i for fuel efficiency reasons. 

     

    You also have to take into account fuel here, flying 4 engines to LAX, NRT/HND, DXB? That's a sizeable increase over the fuel cost for Aotearoa's 787-9s. This is the reason why ANZ left behind the 747-400 in favor of the 777/787 series. While the 747-8i does have a benefit on seating over the B787-9, the fuel costs wouldn't make sense if Aotearoa's was already operating the 787-9.

     

    Now now, yes Qantas does operates A380s. The main reason for this is due to the volume of travel and the increased seating (over 747-8i) via Sydney which in this case outweighs the extra fuel. Auckland/New Zealand in general does get reasonable numbers, but nowhere enough to sustainably operate a series of 6 Boeing 747-8is. 

     

    Thanks for listening to my TedTalk, correct me if I'm wrong on anything it's late lol

    ANZ only had the 747-400s because the 777 series didn't exist yet and their DC-10s were retired. They needed something with more capacity and extensive range, for the time. Range isn't an issues these days, hence the 747-8i would be unrealistic in this case. Just because an airline operated a 747-400, the majority of -400 customers didn't reorder the -8i for fuel efficiency reasons. 

     

    You also have to take into account fuel here, flying 4 engines to LAX, NRT/HND, DXB? That's a sizeable increase over the fuel cost for Aotearoa's 787-9s. This is the reason why ANZ left behind the 747-400 in favor of the 777/787 series. While the 747-8i does have a benefit on seating over the B787-9, the fuel costs wouldn't make sense if Aotearoa's was already operating the 787-9.

     

    Now now, yes Qantas does operates A380s. The main reason for this is due to the volume of travel and the increased seating (over 747-8i) via Sydney which in this case outweighs the extra fuel. Auckland/New Zealand in general does get reasonable numbers, but nowhere enough to sustainably operate a series of 6 Boeing 747-8is. 

     

    Thanks for listening to my TedTalk, correct me if I'm wrong on anything it's late lol

     

    Pretty much this. If the 747-8 doesn't work for Australia (something I was told on one of my posts), how would it work for New Zealand?

    Pretty much this. If the 747-8 doesn't work for Australia (something I was told on one of my posts), how would it work for New Zealand?

     

    The 747-8i is just a bad aircraft, it was an attempt to squeeze more money out of the program and a last ditch effort to compete with the A380-800. It doesn't work in many markets except in situations with sizeable demand (i.e. Asia, specifically China), or in places that have large established hubs (i.e. Lufthansa in Frankfurt & Munich)

    The 747 was originally big for range and seating capacity. Both of those have now been out performed. The range can now be operated by 777/787/A350/etc using significantly less fuel. Seating capacity was originally beat by the A380-800, but it's been established we don't need these huge aircraft anymore. We've established fuel efficiency > seating in most cases*. Fuel is expensive these days, and is it worth paying for 2x the fuel to carry a 75-150 passengers more?