what country do you think would be to do a airline? I'd say china as its got the most demand in the game and dosen't really get more than 10 airlines while the us gets something like 40-60 airlines.
What is the easiest country in AE?
#1
Posted 02 February 2018 - 07:33 PM
#2
Posted 02 February 2018 - 08:08 PM
Germany isnt that bad, especially if you are going point-to-point. I say you could make about 3.2M DOP.
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#3
Posted 02 February 2018 - 08:33 PM
I usually do US because I live there. It also has a ton of major airports to fly from. Anywhere in the EU could be also be really good. I'd imagine China would also be another great option, same goes for Australia.
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#4
Posted 03 February 2018 - 12:36 AM
Nations or blocks of nations (EU) with large numbers of domestic airports are honestly the best, probably because they tend to have the most airlines in them anyway. For the simple reason being you have a large domestic market to tap in to mid to late game when international gates almost inevitably run dry.
#5
Posted 03 February 2018 - 02:12 AM
I usually do US because I live there. It also has a ton of major airports to fly from. Anywhere in the EU could be also be really good. I'd imagine China would also be another great option, same goes for Australia.
US - true but there are tons of spamlines
EU - true
China - true
Australia - you can only fly to US west coast, many places are unreachable, so not so good.
#6
Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:44 AM
china is really good but make sure you expand very aggressively because other airlines can easily conquer the entire chinese domestic market if they have enough money and time
#7
Posted 04 February 2018 - 07:04 AM
china is really good but make sure you expand very aggressively because other airlines can easily conquer the entire chinese domestic market if they have enough money and time
The thing with starting in PEK is the dead high gate cost - the highest in the game (correct me if I'm wrong.)
But still, worth it to avoid the US spam competition. It's just hard to start up.
#8
Posted 04 February 2018 - 05:59 PM
I would say that the Chinese market in AE is probably the easiest. The US market will give you higher demand and more markets, but it also has around 10x the competition. The only major deterrent, as someone else said, is that the bigger airports, such as PVG and PEK have enormous gate costs. So you should probably start at a smaller Chinese airport that has reasonable demand, such as KWE, TSN, or HRB and work from there.
#9
Posted 04 February 2018 - 07:43 PM
US - true but there are tons of spamlines
EU - true
China - true
Australia - you can only fly to US west coast, many places are unreachable, so not so good.
You can still fly to Asia from Australia.. Sydney - Jakarta has 1k demand and china is pretty far but you'll have enough money to lease decent long range aircraft
rush b cyka
#10
Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:15 PM
#11
Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:10 AM
Many people believe that it can be hard to operate in US etc. because of spam-lines. This can be true, but not always. It's called looking for airports, not flying through the major ones. There are a lot of 50k airports in us which has little to no competition and when added up, can produce a good sum of DOP. A lot of people underestimateChinaa, and go with US, but now more and more winning airlines like to operate in China, but that's not to say that the competition in the US is still strong.
EU again is a good example of flying from decent airport to decent airport after 2000. Unless you are based in a major country in the EU, don't base there unless there is a good half of the world time 2000+.
DXB is not a good choice. While it may seem there is no competition (based airlines) in Dubai, that is not so. Many people fly to DXB from other places, seeing as how it is the 3rd biggest airport in the world. India can actually be quite good as there is minimal competition (usually) and have quite good routes.
As an Aussie, it pains me to say this, but don't be fulled by the largeness of Australia. While it is big, there are hardly any good airports. Some of the main ones are only 50k airports, and there is quite a bit of competition in Australia (at times - noticeably in the sandbox worlds).
Finally: Japan. I really like this country because it can be blotted out by the size and amount of airports in China. However, the competition/pax ratio is quite good and Japan can most certainly be a winning country, or if realistic airlines are more your thing, you can sit back and enjoy the satisfying amount of pax there as a realistic airline. From what I have seen, it can be quite competitive at times, but its all about choosing the right world.
The Right Country, the Right World
It's not only about the country - it's what world you choose that country in. For example, a lot of people are attracted to playing with a EU airline in R6. The (apparent) list stops there, but if you read between the lines, you may be able to choose the right country for the right world.
Notable Disclusions
I did not have enough time to expand about these countries, but here they are anyway:
Indonesia
Russia
Mexico
Canada
Brazil
Turkey
Avoid These:
These countries you may want to avoid, perhaps cause of competition or the small number of airports. These countries are also moderately popular as bases. So no random ones like Laos or Chili.
Dubai
UK
Malaysia
Philipines (subject to argumentation)
South Korea (perhaps more so subject to argumentation than the Philipines. However, there are not many airports, but can be flown internationally and is close to Japan and China, which can help)
Hope that helped, and remember, what I said may not always be true.
#12
Posted 05 February 2018 - 02:36 AM
I would say that the Chinese market in AE is probably the easiest. The US market will give you higher demand and more markets, but it also has around 10x the competition. The only major deterrent, as someone else said, is that the bigger airports, such as PVG and PEK have enormous gate costs. So you should probably start at a smaller Chinese airport that has reasonable demand, such as KWE, TSN, or HRB and work from there.
PEK has the highest gate cost in the game AFAIK.
#13
Posted 05 February 2018 - 03:19 AM
PEK has the highest gate cost in the game AFAIK.
Gate costs are a joke. Once you build a terminal the games math is wonky and only charges you for one gate even if you have 1000.
Fixing this bug imho would do more to stop 1$ routes than anything I can currently think of.
@ Lyon
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#14
Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:18 AM
I don't think it's a bug but getting rid of it would definitely help against 1$ spamming.Gate costs are a joke. Once you build a terminal the games math is wonky and only charges you for one gate even if you have 1000.
Fixing this bug imho would do more to stop 1$ routes than anything I can currently think of.
@ Lyon
+1
#15
Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:40 PM
Saudi Arabia-for some reason people tend to ignore the existence of Jeddah King Abdulaziz Airport which had 30m traffic.
Spain-best country in EU to play with. Madrid and Barcelona are both huge, and there is Malaga, Palma and Tenerife to choose from for further development.
Turkey-Also a country with lots of traffics and people tend to ignore.
Vietnam-same.
#16
Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:58 PM
#17
Posted 05 February 2018 - 09:04 PM
The Right Country, the Right World
Notable Disclusions
I did not have enough time to expand about these countries, but here they are anyway:
Indonesia
Russia
Mexico
Canada
Brazil
Turkey
Avoid These:
These countries you may want to avoid, perhaps cause of competition or the small number of airports. These countries are also moderately popular as bases. So no random ones like Laos or Chili.
Dubai
UK
Malaysia
Philipines (subject to argumentation)
South Korea (perhaps more so subject to argumentation than the Philipines. However, there are not many airports, but can be flown internationally and is close to Japan and China, which can help)
Hope that helped, and remember, what I said may not always be true.
Interesting that you include South Korea there. My last successful airline was Express Airways which had the 2 Seoul airports as the hubs (and both eventually with terminals built).
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#18
Posted 05 February 2018 - 10:40 PM
Interesting that you include South Korea there. My last successful airline was Express Airways which had the 2 Seoul airports as the hubs (and both eventually with terminals built).
It's true that you can fly out of it, and there is not much competition but routes can eventually dry up if you are not using connecting pax.
#19
Posted 05 February 2018 - 11:32 PM
I was playing a small world and Russia only had 1 airline. Thats a lot domestic demand without any competition.
There's comparatively few domestic routes in Russia when you put it up against China, the EU, and the US, at least profit-wise. No matter which way you look at it, the money-makers are in a tiny area with St. Petersburg, Saratov, and Krasnodar at the edges. Most of the domestic airports are way far apart and very small--you'll be running A310s once a week out of them.
By comparison, you could make hundreds of billions just from hub-and-spoke routes entirely within China, never going international. Same could go for the US, if it wasn't already over-saturated.
#20
Posted 06 February 2018 - 02:21 AM
There's comparatively few domestic routes in Russia when you put it up against China, the EU, and the US, at least profit-wise. No matter which way you look at it, the money-makers are in a tiny area with St. Petersburg, Saratov, and Krasnodar at the edges. Most of the domestic airports are way far apart and very small--you'll be running A310s once a week out of them.
By comparison, you could make hundreds of billions just from hub-and-spoke routes entirely within China, never going international. Same could go for the US, if it wasn't already over-saturated.
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