NZ-AUS Open Skies Agreement

In AE the NZ-AUS open skies agreement (OSA) is simulated similar to the Eu OSA i.e airlines may fly domestically within countries that are part of the agreement but not provide international service to countries outside the OSA from non-home countries e.g AF may fly FRA-AMS or FRA-MUC but not FRA-JFK.

However in reality the NZ-AUS OSA allows domestic and international operations for all airlines from all NZ-AUS cities e.g QF may fly AKL-LAX and NZ may fly BNE-DPS.  

Is this something that could be changed in AE to become more realistic?

Thank you - NSN Flyer

I pretty sure this is not true. I am running Qantas in R5 and I cant.

I pretty sure this is not true. I am running Qantas in R5 and I cant.

In the game it is not correct but in real life the actual NZ-AUS OSA does allow this. For instance NZ has operated SYD-LAX and QF AKL-LAX.  I started this thread so the game could be changed to make it more realistic

Although AUS/NZ carriers can fly internationally from each country in the real world, I personally believe that it would be a bad idea to implement these rights in the realistic game worlds on the basis that if someone wanted to run a purely New Zealand airline, It would become quite difficult to make money on international routes such as AKL-LAX where demand is only at about 220 each way if an Australian airline decided to fly routes like this also.

Furthermore, most Australian airlines in AE usually expand into the NZ domestic market where demand is already too small for NZ airlines to generate sufficient revenue and profits to compete with the AUS carriers, therfore I think it's best and fairest if AUS/NZ carriers have their own international markets to themselves.

Although AUS/NZ carriers can fly internationally from each country in the real world, I personally believe that it would be a bad idea to implement these rights in the realistic game worlds on the basis that if someone wanted to run a purely New Zealand airline, It would become quite difficult to make money on international routes such as AKL-LAX where demand is only at about 220 each way if an Australian airline decided to fly routes like this also.

 

Furthermore, most Australian airlines in AE usually expand into the NZ domestic market where demand is already too small for NZ airlines to generate sufficient revenue and profits to compete with the AUS carriers, therfore I think it's best and fairest if AUS/NZ carriers have their own international markets to themselves.

I'd argue to the contrary - I recently played a game as a NZ airline, where there were two dominant Aussie airlines - with gaps in Australia which I could fly e.g ADL-OOL. I was running out of destinations from NZ as there is 1.5 proper international airports AKL(1) CHC(0.5 - Max 2x frequencies on any routes larger than short haul) WLG (not a long enough rwy). There were little to no med-long haul flights from secondary Aussie airports e.g ADL, CNS, OOL - all of which are around the same size as AKL which I would have loved to fly and would have been very profitable.

In this case the proper NZ-AUS OSA would have been very beneficial to my NZ airline as it would be to any NZ airline looking to expand past AKL

I pretty sure this is not true. I am running Qantas in R5 and I cant.

 Straight from the agreements:

ANNEX

Section 1

ROUTE SCHEDULE

A. Routes for the airline or airlines designated by the Government of New Zealand

1. From points behind New Zealand via New Zealand, and any intermediate point(s), to any point(s) in Australia, and beyond.

2. For all-cargo services, between Australia and any point or points.

B. Routes for the airline or airlines designated by the Government of Australia

1. From points behind Australia via Australia, and any intermediate point(s), to any point(s) in New Zealand, and beyond.

2. For all-cargo services, between New Zealand and any point or points.

C. Routes for SAM Airlines

1. Between points in Australia and/or New Zealand.