Pre-1955 Aircraft?

So will these aircraft be (are?) used in any world or do we have to wait for new earlier start worlds?

So will these aircraft be (are?) used in any world or do we have to wait for new earlier start worlds?

It all depends on their production period. For example, the Antonov An-2 has production from 1947 to 1991. so any game world that starts before 1991 will have that aircraft available until 1991.  That is just one example but if the production period ends be for the start date of a world than the aircraft is not available.

 

 

If someone could help Uruk out with all the aircraft on AE I think that would help. I couldn't find it for the life of me and it is probably somewhere simple. lol

Uruk?

It all depends on their production period. For example, the Antonov An-2 has production from 1947 to 1991. so any game world that starts before 1991 will have that aircraft available until 1991.  That is just one example but if the production period ends be for the start date of a world than the aircraft is not available.

 

 

If someone could help Uruk out with all the aircraft on AE I think that would help. I couldn't find it for the life of me and it is probably somewhere simple. lol

 

I was thinking of the aircraft that have been approved that end production before 1955

Isn't it kinda obvious we need to wait for a world that starts prior to 1955 to have these aircraft in game? Or do you mean lets have A380s in 1980

Isn't it kinda obvious we need to wait for a world that starts prior to 1955 to have these aircraft in game? Or do you mean lets have A380s in 1980

 

Or have them added as used aircraft in the current or new worlds although i would love to see some earler start  worlds

Or have them added as used aircraft in the current or new worlds although i would love to see some earler start  worlds

This has been suggested numerous times (or at least to have some sort of aircraft in the market).  My main argument is that early growth is already too easy on AE

A better one would be that the used market is already flooded, a few years into the game, why would you buy a DC-3 used when you could get a viscount which is superior?

 

Though I do think that old planes should be dumped even when obsolete for realism purposes - even in 2013, the used market irl is full of DC-9s. If a world started in 1990, and you started dumping them in say, 1999, they'd already by totally obsolete, but if you were re-creating delta, you'd be able to have a realistic fleet.

I suppose I don't really have a valid argument against this but it seems a bit pointless

I'm not as for it as I sound in a lot of ways. The issue with "used market dumping" is that used planes eventually vanish anyway, so it'd very often work out that I slept through the time dc-9s were dumped on the market anyway. It relies on too much random chance.

 

Once growth is slowed in AE4, I'd be more for it - and for not removing planes from the used market ever. (Or waiting until they fell below scrap value.)

 

 

DC-3s at full (new) price being dumped at the start of 1950s games may make more sense than DC-9s in 1990s games though, since we had the little international argument known as WW2 resulting in a hilarious number of military surplus.

I'd be more for that

I'm not as for it as I sound in a lot of ways. The issue with "used market dumping" is that used planes eventually vanish anyway, so it'd very often work out that I slept through the time dc-9s were dumped on the market anyway. It relies on too much random chance.

Once growth is slowed in AE4, I'd be more for it - and for not removing planes from the used market ever. (Or waiting until they fell below scrap value.)

In that case they'll stay there forever, as scrap value never exceeds sale value. Even if you only get a couple of dollars selling your 80 year old L-188, you'll get a few less when scrapping it (which is ridiculous btw).

In that case they'll stay there forever, as scrap value never exceeds sale value. Even if you only get a couple of dollars selling your 80 year old L-188, you'll get a few less when scrapping it (which is ridiculous btw).

 

 

Agreed - what seems ridiculous is that the airline gets paid the sale value,even if the airplane goes into the used pool and is never bought by anyone else. Maybe airlines should have to pay a small fee each month for airlines being kept ready for sale, and not get paid the sale value until another airline buys the used plane?

Ehh, maybe the used-market is just one plane broker? (and so instead of "Alta sells dc-9, goes to sit on the ground waiting for buyer" it's "alta sells dc-9 to broker, broker is now responsible for finding buyer")

 

Considering the fees we pay for a transaction, a broker seems the obvious thing.

 

Possibly an option might be 'pay a broker 10% of value and get cash now, or pay a broker 0% and only get cash when a buyer buys'

Considering the fees we pay for a transaction, a broker seems the obvious thing.

Possibly an option might be 'pay a broker 10% of value and get cash now, or pay a broker 0% and only get cash when a buyer buys'

Agreed

What I am trying to say that a number of aircraft have been approved that end production before 1955 some before 1945 and as I understand it no world is planned for these periods due to data collecting problems. So what is the point of adding aircraft to the game that no one will be able to operate?

Ehh, maybe the used-market is just one plane broker? (and so instead of "Alta sells dc-9, goes to sit on the ground waiting for buyer" it's "alta sells dc-9 to broker, broker is now responsible for finding buyer")

But no broker would buy an aircraft, if he cannot sell it afterwards. Thinking about it, the 6-month span until the plane vanishes could be the broker giving up after 6 months of searching in vain and scrapping it.
I don't think a static scrap value would be the best solution - a new A318 has a significantly higher one than a old MD-80. On the other hand, a old MD-87 will probably have a only slightly higher scrap value as an old DC-9, so a first rapidly declining, then nearly constant scrap value coupled with a first also steeply, later slower decline in sale value could lead to more aircraft being scrapped. Perhaps scrap value could be made dependent on the number of in service aircraft of that family?