Seat types

We can decide what type of seats we want and what should be the number of seats in a row

We can decide what type of seats we want and what should be the number of seats in a row

maybe even have real world seats that are in the Boeing and Airbus catalog

So... A 3 4 3 or 3 5 3 design? Really it doesn't matter since you can change the actual number of seats using the config. Number per row really makes no difference in the game and is just a vanity feature.

So... A 3 4 3 or 3 5 3 design? Really it doesn't matter since you can change the actual number of seats using the config. Number per row really makes no difference in the game and is just a vanity feature.

actually that determines the width of seats, for example you could run a 777 in 3-4-3 config while most airlines have a 3-3-3 or 2-5-2, and A330/A340 could have 3-3-3 config while most airlines use 2-4-2

..just make sure to set limits, i'd be quite perplexed to see a CRJ configured with one row of 15-20-15

yeah, have an option to have 9 seats for airbus widebodies (the max is 3-3-3), 10 for 777 (max is 3-4-3), 7 for 767 (max is 2-3-2, although on 762 airlines have an option to add an extra emergency exit and have it 2-4-2), 6 for 737/A320's (max is 3-3), 5 for 717, DC9, MD series (except MD 11) (the max is 2-3 or 3-2), and 2-2 for most regional airliners

Again, whats the point of this?

I think the point is to add realism to the game.

It's a vanity feature though. It does nothing to help the game mechanics. I'd much rather Yuxi/Un1 spend time doing something more beneficial like cargo then add a useless feature that lets me select how many seats are in a row.

It does sound cool, but I agree with SirMoo here. The beta still isn't perfect, and cargo will be great.

I've been doing some research on how to make seat configurations possible and found out that roughly for every 1% variation in seat pitch and/or width you can place 2% more or less seats. For example, the Embraer E195 seats 122 pax in a 30 inch pitch 18 inch width configuration and 108 pax in a 32 inch pitch 18 inch width configuration, a change in 6.67% pitch reduced the number of seats by 12.96%. The same applies for changes in width, in the A320 you can seat 6 pax abreast in a 18 inch width configuration and 4 pax abreast in a 22.6 inch width configuration, a 25.56% change in width reduces the number of seats by 50%. By using a straight forward formula of 2% number of seats for every 1% change in pitch and/or width this feature could be implemented.

checking the current settings in AE figured out that an aircraft can be configured to 40% of total seats in an all F configuration and roughly 62.5% of total seats in an all C configuration so applying a second parameter to the number of seats per class should be straight forward.

By using a base seat pitch and width for every class the impact on the total number of seats per class could be easily calculated. Based on the seatguru.com comparison chart here's a list of values that could be used.

Y Base Pitch 30, Y Base Width 18

Y Pitch 28,30,32,34,36,38,40
Y Width 17,18,19,20,21,22,24

C Base Pitch 36, C Base width 22

C Pitch 30,36,42,44,48,52,60
C Width 20,22,24,26,30,32,34

F Base Pitch 60, F Base Width 26

F Pitch 52,60,66,72,78,86,94
F Width 24,26,28,30,32,34,36

The base numbers would give a 0 rating to a cabin layout and the following ratings could be used for each change made to the base numbers.

-1,0,1,2,3,4,5

Pitch changes could have a higher impact that width changes on the overall rating and directly impact legroom reputation in each class.

A higher cabin configuration rating would increase reputation, attract passengers and eventually allow to be competitive with higher ticket prices.

Just my two cents in this topic.

We can decide what type of seats we want and what should be the number of seats in a row

As a few people said earlier in the thread, that has no effect on the gameplay. Given the number of seats in each cabin, you can feel free to make a seat map for yourself (similar to liveries)

However, we do have plans to introduce concrete numbers for seat pitch and width for each cabin (which you'd be able to adjust just like you can now by not choosing the maximum number of seats possible) once we collect all the data for floor space and such. Obelix - thank you for that research, we'll take that into consideration when we get to this future addition.

As a few people said earlier in the thread, that has no effect on the gameplay. Given the number of seats in each cabin, you can feel free to make a seat map for yourself (similar to liveries)

However, we do have plans to introduce concrete numbers for seat pitch and width for each cabin (which you'd be able to adjust just like you can now by not choosing the maximum number of seats possible) once we collect all the data for floor space and such. Obelix - thank you for that research, we'll take that into consideration when we get to this future addition.

Will this include choices of how many galleys and toilets the aircraft have?
Just asking - you developers are doing an excellent job so thanks

As a follow up on the research I posted earlier I tried the proposed formula on 4 existing cabin layouts (2 A380, 1 A330-200, and 1 B737-800) and the results look promising. All cabin layouts could be achieved using the existing aircraft capacity and FCY calculation formula within +/- 2% margin of error.

One of the A380 layouts (Quantas) is a 4 class (F,C,Y+,Y) configuration used for test purposes and the proposed formula still works so mixed configurations in each class could be possible thus allowing for a higher cabin rating with less cost to install while maximizing capacity.

Attached are the results.

Not included in the results is also a test that I made with the B737-700, A319-100, EMB175, and ERJ135 with an all F configuration in the 4 to 5 cabin rating and seating for a BBJ, ACJ, Lineage 1000 and Legacy 600/650 business jets can be closely achieved so there’s a potential for charter operations to smaller airports provided that additional fuel tanks are available to increase range limiting the number of passengers for the increased payload. But this is a completely new feature not in the scope of the seat configuration feature.

Hope this is useful.

[attachment=1804:AE Seats Calculations.pdf]

I've had a look at these calculations, and I have given them a small edit that better reflects what I would generally find more acceptable pitch numbers, also taking note of the standard demand calculations in AE.

Y Base Pitch 30, Y Base Width 17.5

Y Pitch 28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
Y Width 16.5,17,17.5,18,18.5,19,19.5

C Base Pitch 40, C Base width 22

C Pitch 34,40,46,52,58,64,70,76
C Width 18,20,22,24,26,30,32,34

F Base Pitch 72, F Base Width 28

F Pitch 54,60,66,72,78,86,94
F Width 26,28,30,32,34,36,38