I'm flying DTW-PIT 5X with a Q400.
Autoprice gives me:
Ticket Price Automatically Set at: $560
Load Factor - %42.65
Projected Revenue - $88,365
Projected Profit - $74,677
Looking for the best profit manually:
Ticket Price: $460
Load Factor - %82.48
Projected Revenue - $140,381
Projected Profit - $126,692
And when I try to "Update route" I get an error message.
#1
Posted 17 December 2007 - 03:03 PM
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#2
Posted 17 December 2007 - 03:06 PM
I just purchased two extra frames and did the plane swap, but I went back to auto pricing and it gave me an extra 10% revenue by adjusting after swapping.
#3
Posted 17 December 2007 - 08:32 PM
A route was auto-updated to the following:
Ticket Price Automatically Set at: $1,667
Load Factor - %51.84
Projected Revenue - $164,199
Projected Profit - $154,060
My best profit approx:
Price: 1,600
Load Factor - %97.13
Projected Revenue - $295,286
Projected Profit - $285,146
Ticket Price Automatically Set at: $1,667
Load Factor - %51.84
Projected Revenue - $164,199
Projected Profit - $154,060
My best profit approx:
Price: 1,600
Load Factor - %97.13
Projected Revenue - $295,286
Projected Profit - $285,146
Aer Solas
#4
Posted 17 December 2007 - 09:40 PM
Were these auto-updates made when opening the route, or after changing the route?
#5
Posted 17 December 2007 - 09:53 PM
Were these auto-updates made when opening the route, or after changing the route?
Mine was when I swapped the route from a Beech to a Q400. I get the feeling that the autopricing does not work when you have "too much" capacity on the route. It leaves the price too high and the load factor too low. If you then lower the frequency, for example, it does a much better job.
EDIT: I used to be the only airline on DTW-ORD, but now there are several competitors. The autoprice function did not work properly in this situation, it left me with a less than 50% loadfactor and I was able to double my profit by setting the price manually.
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#6
Posted 17 December 2007 - 10:22 PM
It was after the route was changed. There may have been an aircraft change and some joining the route.
Aer Solas
#7
Posted 18 December 2007 - 09:25 PM
same for me. when i create a route with autopricing it will give me the 100% LF and as soon as the route screen loads after the route is created its down to 50-60% LF....
i try to reset the route and it gives the same result
i try to reset the route and it gives the same result
#8
Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:05 PM
I get too high projected profits. The profit calculator tells me, that after creating the route it should make 2,5 mil profit, but once created, the route only makes 400k. Is there a problem? The aircraft is an A380, one-way transpacific routes.
EDIT: I looked at this again, it seems that the autoprice wants to set a too optimistic price, which (after creating the route) results in a low loadfactor, that's what causes very low profits. If the price is manually adjusted in a way, that also after creating/modifying the route the LF stays around 100%, everything goes fine and profit is like expected.
EDIT: I looked at this again, it seems that the autoprice wants to set a too optimistic price, which (after creating the route) results in a low loadfactor, that's what causes very low profits. If the price is manually adjusted in a way, that also after creating/modifying the route the LF stays around 100%, everything goes fine and profit is like expected.
#9
Posted 21 December 2007 - 09:40 PM
#10
Posted 21 December 2007 - 10:30 PM
Something that I've found is that after I change a route (add more frequencies/change the aircraft, etc.) when the autopricing calculates the price, it assumes that the competition's prices will remain static. However, as soon as I hit the update button, their prices all recompute and leave me with some miserable load factors. If I go in and recalculate again, I notice that my price drops, usually quite a bit. Most of the time, I will only have to go back into the route screen one time. But the more airlines you have on the right, the more likely it will be that you'll have to repeat this a couple of times.
OA Air
Sim 1: 21506
Sim 2: 17585
Sim 1: 21506
Sim 2: 17585
#11
Posted 22 December 2007 - 04:22 AM
OAAir,
You are correct that it only calculates your price once, and the others will immediately react. In the real world it would happen like this, but then everybody would keep reacting to each other's prices until it settled down somewhere. We can't do that here because it would cause an endless loop of companies changing their prices, so we have to stop somewhere.
You are correct that it only calculates your price once, and the others will immediately react. In the real world it would happen like this, but then everybody would keep reacting to each other's prices until it settled down somewhere. We can't do that here because it would cause an endless loop of companies changing their prices, so we have to stop somewhere.
#12
Posted 22 December 2007 - 09:06 AM
The explanation makes sense, but I have this problem also on some routes without competition
Could the price calculation perhaps be scripted to run twice, or would that increase the server load too much?
Could the price calculation perhaps be scripted to run twice, or would that increase the server load too much?
#13
Posted 23 December 2007 - 12:42 AM
Set up 4 aircraft in this Auto Pricing.
Managed to obtain $1.6 in revenue
Left it alone without touching it for 4 real days
Lost 1.2m in revenue
So, the idea of auto set price is cool, but still needs to be adjusted on the hour every hour.
Thats the down side.....
Managed to obtain $1.6 in revenue
Left it alone without touching it for 4 real days
Lost 1.2m in revenue
So, the idea of auto set price is cool, but still needs to be adjusted on the hour every hour.
Thats the down side.....
#14
Posted 26 December 2007 - 03:29 PM
there's something strange on HND-LAX too.
I set the autopricing on and it give me 1,2m in revenue and load factor 98,75%. But when i saw the route on the route page,the lf drops to 30,45%. Then i set the price manually and i got 1,1m and the load factor is 100%, and when i go to the route page it happened again. Strange,isn't it ??
I set the autopricing on and it give me 1,2m in revenue and load factor 98,75%. But when i saw the route on the route page,the lf drops to 30,45%. Then i set the price manually and i got 1,1m and the load factor is 100%, and when i go to the route page it happened again. Strange,isn't it ??
#15
Posted 26 December 2007 - 04:56 PM
#16
Posted 26 December 2007 - 05:08 PM
Would it be possible to set the autopricing to prefer the lowest possible price/highest possible loadfactor? Especially on some long-haul routes it is problematic that the autopricing does try to solve low profits by rising prices, which only causes loss of profit.
#17
Posted 02 January 2008 - 05:29 PM
To be honest, I don't think autopricing works when you switch aircraft. It was an omission on my part, and until I can get in to fix it, you'll have to go back in and update the ticket price after switching aircraft to get the best price.
#18
Posted 02 January 2008 - 06:36 PM
As a quick fix, you can close the route on the first aircraft, and open it on the second aircraft.
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