Human Resources bug (?)

Has past a while since i posted the first time this trouble. meanwhile my airline has grown and so the problem. Now for 18 airplanes I need 2763 cabin crew taking a good part of profits. Please can someone of the developers give me an answer? Thank you

I do agree. The numbers simple don't add up...

4 MD-83s have 514 Flight crew...

Saying that there is a cabin crew of 5 (for meal service), and each get 40 hours a week, you would need at most 5 crews to cover each 24 hour period...

Thus, 5 members per crew, time 5 crews.... time 4 planes... 100 staff members.

However, markets dictate that in reality they work about 75 flight hours a month and often get 12 hours a day shifts......

So let's revisit the math. In a 30 day period, you would need 6 crew teams, each with 5 members on 4 planes (6*5*4) is 120 staff members total.

Current math as of now on the cabin crew teams are showing almost 21 flight attendants per team... or a brand new 3 flight attendants for each flight created.

On a similar note, the amounts being paid to crew members in the cabin is WAY above the $37, 740 per year as shown by Department of Labor Statistics.

So, yuxi... we has a problem.

F/As should be worked out as 1 F/A = 50 seats.
So a reasonable number of FAs on your average MD-80 will be 3.
Also, on the subject of F/A wages.
Do we have to pay twice, or only their yearly wages?
As currently, there's a cost incurred on the routes page, and also one on the employee page.

Human resources needs a complete rethink...

This is a bug in the game's functionality - I will refer to Yuxi.

Sorry I wasn't aware someone answered (pessimistic by nature ). @porter: In fact my calculations are based on a 6 crews per day but as you already said still... Anyway thanks a lot for the confirm of the bug, I'm sure it will be fixed soon!

As Sheepy points out 1 cabin crew is required for every 50 pax. If you fly an aircraft with 51 seats you need 2 cabin crew members.

The exception to the rule is for aircraft with 19 seats or less were no cabin crew is required.

For aircraft with 20 or more seats these calculations could help.

Aircraft: 140 hrs/week
Cabin and Flight Crew: 40 hrs/week
Cabin Crew per 50 seats: 1
Flight Crew: as stated in the type certificate
All calculations rounded up to the nearest integer.

Using the MD-83 as an example:

140 hrs / 40 hrs = 3.5 (rounded up = 4)
172 seats / 50 = 3.44 (rounded up = 4)
Cabin Crew needed to operate the aircraft in a week: 4 x 4 = 16
Minimum Crew For all flights: 2
Flight Crew needed to operate the aircraft in a week: 4 x 2 = 8

With 4 MD-83s, porter should have 32 Flight Crew and 64 Cabin Crew in the payroll based on these simplified calculations.

I believe that number of crew also hinges on number of exits - 130 seats and 4 doors - you need 4 crew minimum? I will check that first though.

Only in some countries, as far as I'm aware.
Definitely not in New Zealand, as 733s almost always fly with 3 F/As.

There are regulations regarding the number of cabin crew needed to operate certain type of exits. For AE purposes, calculating the number of cabin crew needed based on a 50 to 1 ratio for aircraft with 20 or more seats makes more sense than trying to figure out the exit type used.

As Sheepy mentions the B733 has 2 type I pax doors, 2 type I service doors and 2 type III overwing exits. and it's certified for 149 pax (149 / 50 = 2.98) rounded up = 3

http://easa.europa.e...08-03112011.pdf

Obelix is right. For every started 50 passengerseats, you need a flight attendant.

Another example is the Airbus A319. The normal configuration limits the maximum number of passengerseats to 145 due to evacuation requirements. So it needs 3 flight attendants. However, a modification is available for the A319, basically adding an overawing emergency exit, which brings the maximum number of passengerseats to 160. If you were to operate an A319 like this, you would need a 4th flight attendant.

Easyjet flies A319's with this modification. However, they only fitted the aircraft with 150 seats, as to stay with 3 flight attendants.

The calculation of flight & cabin crew Obelix made is about correct, however, a small percentage of back-up should be kept in mind. Maybe 5% or so with a minimum of 1 full crew ?

Best regards,

Exodus

FAR 121.391 and FAR 125.269 support the 50 to 1 rule for aircraft with more than 19 pax.

http://ecfr.gpoacces....13.2.6&idno=14

http://ecfr.gpoacces...8.8.3.5&idno=14

JAR-OPS 1.990 also supports the 50 to 1 rule for aircraft with more than 19 pax.

http://www.jaa.nl/pu...s/jar-ops-1.pdf

In some cases cabin crew is required at exits during taxi, takeoff and landing as per the type certificate like the 747-400 for example.

http://www.easa.euro...09-15122011.pdf

I would also like to point out that in an A320 I have a total of 150 cabin and flight crew and that is only for ONE A320. When I plugged in the numbers, I should expect to lose money because of too many employees. So I did the math and something's definitely not right here: (w/ 10% reserves)

128 cabin
22 flight

x32 weekly flights = 4-5 daily flights
28 cabin crew/flight
5 flight crew/flight

This is just way too much. The flight crew might probably be ok (although I think 3 would do plus 1 reserve) but the cabin crew's just way too much. About 4-5/flight is the more REALISTIC range. I hope the moderators look into this because its sucking out too much money having too many employees.

I know it's 3 in Hawaii on Hawaiian Airlines (1 in F and 2 in Y) on Interisland Routes, on their Transpacific/International (however you call it) Routes it varies on the a/c type on the route itself B763ER or A332

Keone

Actually I found the culprit (if I can call it that), once you order aircraft the system immediately hires the employees even if the aircraft has not arrived yet.

(can't edit the above post )

Although I think the numbers are still way above since there are still about 10-15 cabin crew /flight

I currently employ 10.113 flight attendants for 87 aircraft (BAe-146, A320, 737, 757, 767 & MD-11). That's an average of 116 flight attendants per aircraft
Even if I add all my orders (201) to the number of aircraft, I still get an average of 35 flight attendants per plane.

23 planes (15 ATR, 8 Airbus A320 family) -

1518 F/A and

250 pilotes...

And time by time my payroll is double (25 mil per month normal, two moths back double, next month normal...)