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Ok, just bought a brand new Q400. I want to swap it for my B1900 route Palm beach-Cancun. I click change aircraft, and the profit is no around -$9,000. I see the passenger load is anywhere from 0-10%. I try changing the ticket price dramatically and it barely does a thing. Then, I switch it back to my B1900 and the profit goes up from where it started!

Then I tried opening a whole new route, new gates, etc. Same thing happens. The research route shows that I should be getting around $200,000 for one route, and it turns out its -$9,000. Also, it says the PAX percent should be 100% where it is only 0%. I tried numerous routes and other aircraft to replace. Whats up?
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Ok, just bought a brand new Q400. I want to swap it for my B1900 route Palm beach-Cancun. I click change aircraft, and the profit is no around -$9,000. I see the passenger load is anywhere from 0-10%. I try changing the ticket price dramatically and it barely does a thing. Then, I switch it back to my B1900 and the profit goes up from where it started!

Then I tried opening a whole new route, new gates, etc. Same thing happens. The research route shows that I should be getting around $200,000 for one route, and it turns out its -$9,000. Also, it says the PAX percent should be 100% where it is only 0%. I tried numerous routes and other aircraft to replace. Whats up?

It is that demand is low and on many low PAX routes the lower aircraft with a low seating cap work better.

the B19 is only 19 Pax compared to Q-400 of 74

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Ah, gotcha. So if I were to do a Denver to Los Angeles route, it should work better. The smaller the airport, the smaller the airplane needed. Right?

*Edit* Ok, I just tried a Dallas Love-Miami route and got the same thing. Those are two big airports and it still came out to a negative profit. I don't get what happens when I buy a 757 for example. I think this is a glitch. Every route I try I get the same thing. I'm going to try an ERJ-145. Still, I don't see why the PAX load is soooo low with the Q400. The ATR-42-500 holds 48 and it works fine.
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Ah, gotcha. So if I were to do a Denver to Los Angeles route, it should work better. The smaller the airport, the smaller the airplane needed. Right?

*Edit* Ok, I just tried a Dallas Love-Miami route and got the same thing. Those are two big airports and it still came out to a negative profit. I don't get what happens when I buy a 757 for example. I think this is a glitch. Every route I try I get the same thing. I'm going to try an ERJ-145. Still, I don't see why the PAX load is soooo low with the Q400. The ATR-42-500 holds 48 and it works fine.


You must understand that this is Year 10 of the game.

There are still empty routes if you look but the larger PAX locations would by now be close to FULL.

A lot of locations like in the real world do have a limit to the amount of flights they can accommodate, also players with a large hub will command much larger prices than you or others who just lob up and plonk on a jet.

So, before you start the GLITCH factor, take a good look at the locations you are flying and those on the route, one thinks it is a simple case of the departure gates being over crowded now and no more room to make a profit in your case.

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Oh, I have. I used the route research feature. I looked at Palm Beach to Dallas Love. Take a look for yourself. No competition. You know how much I make when I try it? -$10,000. 0 pax percentage. I tried numerous other routes too, with other planes, that have no competition. The research says it will make hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yet I get negative ten thousand.

PBI customers:222.88
DAL customers:229.60
Game capacity adjustment: %284

Total Daily Customers: 195
Total Capacity: 0
Customers adjusted for below market demand: 590.97
Customers Adjusted for Distance: 573
Initial Equilibrium Price: 639.24
Equilibrium Price Adjusted for Long Distance: 771
Average Ticket Price: 0.00
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Large Market: 414
Equilibrium Price After Average Ticket Price Deviation: 771.23
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Final Equilibrium Price: 1,010.09
Stretch Variable Adjusted for Capacity: 605

Aircraft: Bombardier Q400
Initial Ticket Price for Elan: 850.00
Ticket Price Adjusted for Monopoly: 595.00
Adjusted Price for Frequency: 595.00 | Frequencies: 3
Adjusted Price for Prop: 684.25
% Increase in Adjusted Price Capacity: %19.4
Adjusted Price for Capacity: 816.75
Adjusted Price for Age: 816.75
O & D Load Factor: 98%
No Hub
O&D Revenues: 61,816
Connecting Revenues: 0
Total Revenues: 185,448


Ok, an please explain to me another thing. Why is it when I switch out my B1900D for my Q400 to take over, I get the negative profit. Then, when I switch it back to the B1900 it go up like $4,000 from the original start. To me this can only be like you said, the aircraft has too many seats. But then I tried a new route at major airports only to get the same thing.
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Is this Sim 1 or 2 you refer to?

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This is Sim2
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This is Sim2

Well that explains a lot.

Miller has been altering the LF there, I am not playing in the Sim 2, all my comments are to the original game only.

Remember, sim2 is beta only, and I am sure there are issues across the board in the game.

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Ahh...miscommunication. :rolleyes:

I'm just going to sell my Q400 and shoot for an ERJ. :) Thanks for the help though. :)
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not sure if your playing sim1 or 2 but sim2 change aircraft works differently than sim1 ;-) actually beter.

In fact the change aircarft option should be taken out, it gets abused too often.

Actually i'm happy the way sim2 works now to a certain degree allthough some tweaking is needed. I just want 1 aircraft added to from sim2 to sim1!

Miller please , pretty please , you know which one!
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Yes...but that doesn't explain why this is happening...
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. I just want 1 aircraft added to from sim2 to sim1!

Miller please , pretty please , you know which one!


The one you won :rolleyes:




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