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Very Very expensive though - Compared to something of a similar price A330-300:

A330 has 100 more seats and is cheaper by a long way.

787 has lower base costs.

Why would people buy something $30m more for 100 less seats?
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Very Very expensive though - Compared to something of a similar price A330-300:

A330 has 100 more seats and is cheaper by a long way.

787 has lower base costs.

Why would people buy something $30m more for 100 less seats?


Many reasons:

Lower operating costs
More enviromentaly friendly
More range

Don't forget that most airlines almost never pay the list price for aircraft , there are nearly always discounts and incentives given for medium / large orders.
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1.range
2.operating costs
3.fuel consumption
4.for the satisfaction of flying a brand new plane

By the way miller, has the engine bug been fixed? Does the aircraft still use base range or do they vary by engine now?

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Very Very expensive though - Compared to something of a similar price A330-300:

A330 has 100 more seats and is cheaper by a long way.

787 has lower base costs.

Why would people buy something $30m more for 100 less seats?


If u exclude the price from the equation, the B787-8 in AE would be ideal for mid-size airports with decent hubs to open long-range routes without the need to use the capacity or size of the A330 or above. It should give raise to more choices in the game me thinks.

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To be honest, the reason for the higher price is inflation. The other aircraft values I have in the database are from around 2003. The 787 price is quoted for 2008.

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Ok, thanks for your answers.
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If u exclude the price from the equation, the B787-8 in AE would be ideal for mid-size airports with decent hubs to open long-range routes without the need to use the capacity or size of the A330 or above. It should give raise to more choices in the game me thinks.


Exactly. I was already considering it as a replacement for routes where a B753 would normally be used. It will also work to replace the A333 on some routes that have lower demand.
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Exactly. I was already considering it as a replacement for routes where a B753 would normally be used. It will also work to replace the A333 on some routes that have lower demand.


Great minds thinks alike, as they say :rolleyes:

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The problem is that it costs nearly twice the price of a 753. Take it or leave it, I s'pose!
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Thanks for the 787 update - the fuel flow looks far more sensible now!

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it is very nice. thank you.

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Hmmm, just saw that a certain route at $750 dropped to 40% LF due to a new entrant. I tried a revenue calculation at $750 again at this stage, giving me a 70% LF.

Seems the script still fluctuates wildly with new entrants.

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Congrats Glennos!

Your $$$ has been deposited.

So, what'cha gonna spend it on?


A Miller Big Mac :rolleyes:

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Any plans to account for inflationg across the board in AE? A380's and most airbus A/C have seen decent price increases, along with Bombardier.
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Not too mention this would make the 787 more appealing.
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I noticed it said the range of the 787 was 7,900. According to Boeing, the 787-8's range is a maximum of 8,200. Also, on GE, it says the GEnx's maximum thrust is 75,000.
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Gathering aircraft data is a pain. You can only rely on the manufacturers claims so much, especially for an aircraft that hasn't flown yet. You have to take into account whether that is max range while empty, with a manageable load, or at full load. Not too mention that getting pricing is diffcult. It's not like the base price is listed like buying a car. Each airline will get it's own discounted price based on passed orders, future orders, credit, current commitments with other manufacturers, etc.

Plus, with the info given, you need to remember that the more passengers, the lower the range will be. I think Miller give them the benfit of the doubt on this.
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I noticed it said the range of the 787 was 7,900. According to Boeing, the 787-8's range is a maximum of 8,200. Also, on GE, it says the GEnx's maximum thrust is 75,000.
http://www.geae.com/...genx/index.html



The range will always vary upon how much weight its carrying, and which way its going dependent upon the prevailing winds. If max is 8,200, then its still pretty liberal to assume it will always make 7,900.

We had a problem with the GE thrust numbers when we first put the 787 in. The fact of the matter is that the GEnx may be capable of 75,000 lbs, but they severly de-rate it for the 787-8. 75,000 lbs. is just way too much for an aircraft this size, and it hurts all of your fuel flows anyways. You want that thrust number as low as you can get it for Airline Empires.




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