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So, TW mentioned this issue back in August. However, the proposed new rules have yet to take effect. Until they do, people will play by the current set of rules and limitations.

A new rule is:

1. Proposed -> 2. Accepted/Rejected -> 3. Timeline - from when? -> 4. Enforced.

The issue on gates is only up to stage 2. Bulgaria/Romania didn't become part of the EU from the day they were Accepted. A timeline was set and they have now become members.

In the real world, law-abiding citizens will continue to "break" new rules until they take effect. This is because the current set of rules allows so. Gate hoarding therefore is currently a strategy which would become "illegal" in due course but not now.

And your point is Pacific? This is gate hogging; he still holds on those gates, protecting his hub - making those gates unavailable to other players.


Therefore the point is, people will play by the current set of rules. Making those gates unavailable to other players, thus protecting the hub is a very effective way to reach the top indeed. For once, I actually agree with Bananaboy (omg?) - PLANNING!

I'm venting my frustration a bit because one of my friends decided to take the "moral high ground". What did he get? A competitor took advantage of the available gates, setting up a 15-gate operation within a matter of 2 hours. Ironically, that certain competitor is you.

AE is based on the capitalist free market system. In other words, dog eat dog. Ruthless competition, undercutting, etc, and your action is a great proof that the virtual AE world works in the same way!

We should all stop being kids and accept the world is not fair and trying to be "nice and fair" only results in others taking advantage of the "nice" person. We can make some changes to make it "fairer" but human nature dictates such change to be through authoritarian, rather than voluntary means.

So until we have "state intervention", let the ball of capitalism roll!

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Yes, I actually bought all the STN gates in order to start operations as a second hub. What you didn't see is that I returned the excess gates once my set-up was complete.

Your friend took the moral high ground, as you stated. You also stated to let the capitalism roll. Well, this "invasion" can and will occur in any city where gates are available. Such was the case last night in STN. This action of mine was not a grudge against your friend, but a market move.

If you verify my airline, you will see that I have only 1 STN gate left. I closed shop in STN, since no money is to be made over there. I'm elsewhere now.

"So until we have "state intervention", let the ball of capitalism roll!". You cannot be more right.

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funny caro how u start pointing fingers towards others gatehogger now that you've re-organized ur MCU hub :P , u was doing the exact same thing on mcu-nue . second go talk to ur allie Cleveland brown Air cuz he's doing the very same on LHR-LGW and with even more gate then me so :/

further why should the "hoarders" defend themselves for an action that is not illegal ? It's not a pretty tactic i admit ,but it is one
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Well, its just bad ethics, thats why they should defend themselves. And its a cowardly tactic (as well as a monopolistic one, and if you know anything about market faliures, monopolies play a part in that.)

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Ah, McCarthyism, McCarthyism everywhere, but no accomplishment to be found.

Translation: Randomly pointing people out and saying Looky here is not going to get us anywhere.
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MCU? How about MUC? Anyway, did that only one AE month, since I was receiving A319s and S2000s. If you look again at my airline (which you did), you'll see my gate usage.

Please do.

Unlike you, all my MUC gates are used, with no hoarding. I don't do the same as you, adding Bees at the last minute to keep those FCO gates (FCO-NAP). I use them. As for CBA, he's a big boy, he can take care of himself - he plays the way he wants to.

Never said hoarding was illegal, no rules exist against it. Hey, it's a great way to control competition, I agree. But it's no fun, not helping the game at all.

Which is exactly that. A game.

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So why not say that airlines with more than 10 gate whether they are filled with routes are hogging them too since they own most of them?


:P Because there is a difference between actively building routes and just sitting on gates between two cities like LHR-LGW. There is no strategy there, just simply hoarding gates. Yes, they may be for future expansion or maybe they are just to make sure another airline doesn't get them. How do you know someones second airline or an alliacne member that has given up this round hasn't been employed to take all the remaining gates and sit on them, while the main airline prospers and doesn't have to worry about the competition. :puzzled:
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Yes, I actually bought all the STN gates in order to start operations as a second hub. What you didn't see is that I returned the excess gates once my set-up was complete.

Your friend took the moral high ground, as you stated. You also stated to let the capitalism roll. Well, this "invasion" can and will occur in any city where gates are available. Such was the case last night in STN. This action of mine was not a grudge against your friend, but a market move.

If you verify my airline, you will see that I have only 1 STN gate left. I closed shop in STN, since no money is to be made over there. I'm elsewhere now.

"So until we have "state intervention", let the ball of capitalism roll!". You cannot be more right.

John.


Yeah, ur STN adventure was more like a stunt than anything else... just my thoughts...

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Nope, no stunt. Thought that there was money to be made there. I was wrong.

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Couldn't you determine that before buying the gates? You know, looking at what planes operate on that route and at what prices and frequencies?

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Nope, decided to buy all the gates, set up the flights and return the excess gates. Which I did.

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Well I can't really concider that gate hogging, overestimating, yes. But gate hogging. No. As long as you return the excess, then its not gate hogging (though doing some quick research could help you later).

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.... so there is no way to get gates once there gone...?

I mean... no gates in Cincinnati? that would never happen in real life
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.... so there is no way to get gates once there gone...?

I mean... no gates in Cincinnati? that would never happen in real life

I see a lot of gates there, what you on about :P

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Have to rant on this one again. Gate hogging is an epidemic that should be put down. It is a serious problem and one of the reasons the gates are not lasting as long as they used to. Just look at DFW-DAL and ORD-MKE or ORD-IND. It is really sad that some airlines felt the need to take over 50 gates (25+ each) from DFW alone in one day. Enjoy your losses, payback is a real ...


Well, little gates in current game, and even the Beta test is getting thin on Large Pax locations, seems to be the trend :P

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With the profits the way they are though, it should not be a problem creating terminals at locations without gates. I already started with a few that I know will never have gates again.
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