Gate hogging at an all new level
#1
Posted 31 December 2006 - 01:53 AM
#2
Posted 31 December 2006 - 02:02 AM
#3
Posted 31 December 2006 - 02:30 AM
#4
Posted 31 December 2006 - 02:39 AM
But there is a competitive problem with terminal building.
In DEN and SAN I've had expierences building terminals to just release large numbers of gates, and I think it really does hurt you rather than help you. But we'll see
#5
Posted 31 December 2006 - 02:54 AM
#6
Posted 31 December 2006 - 02:59 AM
#7
Posted 31 December 2006 - 03:08 AM
#8
Posted 31 December 2006 - 03:48 AM
Some people just cant never learn new ways :sdrool:
#9
Posted 31 December 2006 - 04:06 AM
Isn't putting a bunch of planes on a route like Henri's Airways also a way to activate a bug?
I dont think that this is the intention of Henri. He and I had a fierce battle in Atlanta last round and I found him to be a keen and honest competitor. We both made the top 10 with each having less than 25 gates. Therefore I dont see the need for him now to have over 50 gates with a utilisation of 32% outside of hie ATl-BHM routes. I cant see him effectively using more than 30 gates in the immediate future as he is not earning the cash to purchase airframes to fill those slots. I hope he reconsiders his strategy and dump the excess gates. He is too good a player to be relying on this approach.
Having said that I support moderate retention of gates in anticipaton of the delivery of aircraft.
#10
Posted 31 December 2006 - 04:37 AM
But there was a group of three airlines last round that decided to put alot of planes on one route, and this activated something like the LF bug I think.
#11
Posted 31 December 2006 - 06:33 AM
#12
Posted 31 December 2006 - 06:50 AM
#13
Posted 31 December 2006 - 07:18 AM
I wish it would stop too, but as long as it helps airlines to win people will do it. Proof of this was during the last round, Ajax did this to me while I was majority leader (or tied with ajax, I can't remember when exactly she overtook me) at MCO, and we all know how that turned out.
As I can see it, three things can change this from occurring:
1) No routes under 100nm (wouldn't stop it, but would curtail it a bit)
2) No more than 10 freqs between any two cities with all aircraft (so if you have 10x on a route you can't place another aircraft there, again wouldn't stop it, but would curtail it)
3) Limit gates to 25 per airline per airport (I like this one best, but it's also the most extreme, would definitely stop mass hoarding and would encourage airlines to drop gates for terminals later in the game, lessening the gate crisis we run into). This is also probably the easiest to code because there is already a set limit of like 95 (correct me if I'm wrong).
#14
Posted 31 December 2006 - 08:26 AM
#15
Posted 31 December 2006 - 03:27 PM
There is massive hogging in all major aiports this round. AE is not intended to be played this way.
Which frustrates me most, is that they are always the same 4 or 5 people who hog all the gates. Don't you know how to win without hogging? What would happen if all of us start to hog gates?
Hope this could be stopped some way in the next AE version.
#16
Posted 31 December 2006 - 03:36 PM
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I wish it would stop too, but as long as it helps airlines to win people will do it. Proof of this was during the last round, Ajax did this to me while I was majority leader (or tied with ajax, I can't remember when exactly she overtook me) at MCO, and we all know how that turned out.
As I can see it, three things can change this from occurring:
1) No routes under 100nm (wouldn't stop it, but would curtail it a bit)
2) No more than 10 freqs between any two cities with all aircraft (so if you have 10x on a route you can't place another aircraft there, again wouldn't stop it, but would curtail it)
3) Limit gates to 25 per airline per airport (I like this one best, but it's also the most extreme, would definitely stop mass hoarding and would encourage airlines to drop gates for terminals later in the game, lessening the gate crisis we run into). This is also probably the easiest to code because there is already a set limit of like 95 (correct me if I'm wrong).
Last round I maxed out at a DOP of $45 million in Atlanta with only 25 gates. I would definitely support a limit of between 25 and 30. Any requirement above that should be by way on contructing a teminal.
#17
Posted 31 December 2006 - 04:02 PM
#18
Posted 31 December 2006 - 06:35 PM
As for limiting gates, I would think you are headed in the right direction, but there shouldn't be a limit on the max number of gates you can have. Two or three rounds ago I had a 65-70 gate terminal at LAX and had 90% utilization. So, it is possible that you would need more than 25 gates. I would think a cap on the number of gates you can lease per day from the same airport would be better. For regional aircraft, you may need 1-3 gates per aircraft. For larger aircraft you probably only need 1 and maybe rarely 2 gates. So, I would think a 3 gate per AE day per airport would be a sufficiet cap. That would stop the hogs and should make them focus on route building. This also adds to the strategy. If you are only allowed three gates and have two brand new aircraft coming, then you need to plan your routes accordingly so you have enough gates for the aircraft.
#19
Posted 31 December 2006 - 06:56 PM
I would think a cap on the number of gates you can lease per day
The programming needed for this would be a simple one to include, this is a very valid suggestion as then if the market has 20 gates left, the max you can secure (Say 3 or 5) would be ample for any player.
Then again, there has to be a cap limit or then the Hogger will take 5 per change-over and still take the lot.
So I still feel that there need to be an upper-limit and any more you Must terminal that location.
#20
Posted 31 December 2006 - 08:00 PM
So I still feel that there need to be an upper-limit and any more you Must terminal that location.
Then 25 would be a good upper limit. At that point you should be able to build a terminal and have as many as you need (within the airports limit).
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