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Hello, I come to you because I created a company yesterday on the beginner server. I'm doing some tests after following the tutorial, even if I'm still discovering some stupid things.

Except that here it is... After 18 routes and 5 planes, I still have a deficit of 2 millions per month... Which is slowly leading me to bankruptcy.

My 18 routes make a profit. My gates, even if they cost a lot, are profitable. My 5 planes are in the same case. Two ATR-72-500s make $130K and $75K per day, my RJ85 makes $118K, the A320-200 makes $288K and my 737-600 makes $261K. The last three are leased. I have removed the marketing and the staff reserve.

Operating revenues: $28,022,745
Non-operating revenues: $0
Operating expenses : - $29 554 379
Non-operating expenses : -$610,615

Net income/loss : -$2,097,264

My only idea would be fuel and personnel costs. That's why I'm thinking of not renewing my A320 lease and replacing it with a new 737. The RJ85, the starter aircraft, is still with me for two years.

If more experienced people can spot my mistakes, I'd be happy to hear from them.



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Set all wages to $7/hr at 0% reserves, with no profit sharing. Then, make sure to use the default seat config for your planes (max economy class) and serve "Scam IFS" (all 1-star food at max price, all amenities except headphones at max price). Don't operate planes from different families that serve the same market like the 737 and A320, pick one and stick with it. Don't start with something like an RJ85, pick the first two starter options only. If you REALLY want to make profit, use a strategy called "Spamlining". Create two megahubs and fly thousands of flights per day on large aircraft between them at $1.


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Thank you very much.
I am not proud to do this for my poor passengers and employees, but I am in the green... weak, but green.

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Set all wages to $7/hr at 0% reserves, with no profit sharing. Then, make sure to use the default seat config for your planes (max economy class) and serve "Scam IFS" (all 1-star food at max price, all amenities except headphones at max price). Don't operate planes from different families that serve the same market like the 737 and A320, pick one and stick with it. Don't start with something like an RJ85, pick the first two starter options only. If you REALLY want to make profit, use a strategy called "Spamlining". Create two megahubs and fly thousands of flights per day on large aircraft between them at $1.

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If you REALLY want to make profit, use a strategy called "Spamlining". Create two megahubs and fly thousands of flights per day on large aircraft between them at $1.

 

Extremely important note: DO NOT USE THIS STRATEGY ABOVE.

Everything before that is fine, but you need to avoid what AE players call "spamlining".
While it's not necessarily against the rules, it's considered by most to be an unfair exploit, and using it WILL annoy and aggravate every other player in the world.

It's best if you learn how to play the game fairly, without spamlining, as it will make the game more fun for everybody and will generally feel more "authentic", so to speak.

 

I know good sportsmanship doesn't hold that much weight in an online simulation game, but please, don't ruin the game for others.



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Hello, I come to you because I created a company yesterday on the beginner server. I'm doing some tests after following the tutorial, even if I'm still discovering some stupid things.

Except that here it is... After 18 routes and 5 planes, I still have a deficit of 2 millions per month... Which is slowly leading me to bankruptcy.

My 18 routes make a profit. My gates, even if they cost a lot, are profitable. My 5 planes are in the same case. Two ATR-72-500s make $130K and $75K per day, my RJ85 makes $118K, the A320-200 makes $288K and my 737-600 makes $261K. The last three are leased. I have removed the marketing and the staff reserve.

Operating revenues: $28,022,745
Non-operating revenues: $0
Operating expenses : - $29 554 379
Non-operating expenses : -$610,615

Net income/loss : -$2,097,264

My only idea would be fuel and personnel costs. That's why I'm thinking of not renewing my A320 lease and replacing it with a new 737. The RJ85, the starter aircraft, is still with me for two years.

If more experienced people can spot my mistakes, I'd be happy to hear from them.

Fuel is never an issue for me.

As much as it may hurt, you need to consolidate your fleet. You have too many aircraft families for an airline your size, hence you are incurring maintenance fees for each additional aircraft family.

Get rid of the ATR's, RJ's and 737-600 and replace them with A319's. Invest in some A321's. The A320 family is the superior family when compared to 737 family early-game.

 

Look at which airports have the most outrageous gate costs and avoid them unless you can build terminals there. Part of why I never start at DFW.

Avoid competition like it's the plague, a route with 0 competition is always going to make more money per seat per unit time spent than a busier route with 2 competitors jacking down prices.


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Extremely important note: DO NOT USE THIS STRATEGY ABOVE.

Everything before that is fine, but you need to avoid what AE players call "spamlining".
While it's not necessarily against the rules, it's considered by most to be an unfair exploit, and using it WILL annoy and aggravate every other player in the world.

It's best if you learn how to play the game fairly, without spamlining, as it will make the game more fun for everybody and will generally feel more "authentic", so to speak.

 

I know good sportsmanship doesn't hold that much weight in an online simulation game, but please, don't ruin the game for others.

 

Spamlining ($1 flights, mostly) is akin to corner cutting in a race; sure, it works, and it technically is a valid strategy since AE really has no rules, but it is frowned upon and you will lose our respect for doing it.


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Just took a look at your airline, you seem to be running a hub-and-spoke model. See if you can open a second "hub", it will let you operate to the airports you are already leasing gates at without having to pay to lease more gates (unless you've managed to use up all 50 slots...?)

 

Also check your seat layouts, all-economy is technically the most profitable but you would be losing out on F (First class) and C (business class) demand if you don't run any. AE is one of those weird games where there's always someone willing to fly first class for a 30 minute flight, because... reasons?

Smaller aircraft generally aren't as profitable as larger ones, which means that larger aircraft can help you grow faster IF you can afford them. Given that you're based in EDI, invest in the B757-200 aircraft (once you get your economics in a more stable position) and fly them transatlantic to major US airports (and some secondary ones as well) like BOS, JFK, PHL, etc.

Generally I start my airline with A320 family and B757 family. The A320 is just a great for 90% of routes below 3300 miles and the B757 is great for 70% of routes below 4800 miles.


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Many answers to be noted. Thanks again for your time.

Concerning the "spamlining" strategy, I won't use it. I like to play more "RP" than just to reach the top of the ranking. I want to make a profit to keep playing, not to break records. Even though I've accepted (for now) the scam model and the salary drop.

Otherwise... A lot of changes. I've understood the supply and demand thing a bit better.This means I'm making more profit, especially in places without competition. I have also started routes to the Middle East, Eastern America and North Africa. These are the most profitable at the moment.

I didn't go for the A320s but for the 737s. It was cheaper. I now have 7 of them. The advantage is that they are leased. So I could change them in 3 years by not renewing the contract?
Concerning the other aircraft. My A320 is on the end of its contract and will be replaced by a 737 to keep the same family. I have my ARJ for another three years. And my ATRs are purchases... Do I really have to sell them? Can't they be used for short-haul transport to the north of Ireland or Scotland?



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Many answers to be noted. Thanks again for your time.

Concerning the "spamlining" strategy, I won't use it. I like to play more "RP" than just to reach the top of the ranking. I want to make a profit to keep playing, not to break records. Even though I've accepted (for now) the scam model and the salary drop.

Otherwise... A lot of changes. I've understood the supply and demand thing a bit better.This means I'm making more profit, especially in places without competition. I have also started routes to the Middle East, Eastern America and North Africa. These are the most profitable at the moment.

I didn't go for the A320s but for the 737s. It was cheaper. I now have 7 of them. The advantage is that they are leased. So I could change them in 3 years by not renewing the contract?
Concerning the other aircraft. My A320 is on the end of its contract and will be replaced by a 737 to keep the same family. I have my ARJ for another three years. And my ATRs are purchases... Do I really have to sell them? Can't they be used for short-haul transport to the north of Ireland or Scotland?

Well, if you've got your money situation under control, keeping them around/getting rid of them won't be a critical issue anymore, but I'm not sure that it's really gonna make much money either. It's just that each aircraft family has a base maintenance cost to it, i.e. having 1 747-400 and having 100 of them will charge x dollars per aircraft in addition to the base maintenance cost of the 747 family itself. You can still keep them around if you want, I just never personally use anything smaller than a CRJ705 because... well, it's just a lot of hassle finding routes for them when an A319 or E190 even can make 5x the money with 1/2 the effort.

 

Regarding 737 vs A320, generally the 737 variants are cheaper, but they tend to have slightly more fuel burn, a bit less range, are smaller, and slightly more runway requirement (compare B738 to A320 or B739 to A321). The A320 aircraft are more expensive but I just enjoy using them since their variants come earlier (A319LR and A321 v.s. B737-700ER and B737-900ER). Towards the mid-game and end-game though I operate both families, mainly A319LR/A321-200 alongside B738. It's really more of a preference type of thing, you will likely use both families as your airline grows larger simply for the reason of "more planes = more routes = more profit" later on.

 

I usually lease aircraft for 10 years at a time and basically hold onto them... forever, lol. 

Finding new routes is one of the biggest things to running a successful airline, that way if someone comes along and sets up base at one of your hubs you won't lose all of your routes.


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Spamlining ($1 flights, mostly) is akin to corner cutting in a race; sure, it works, and it technically is a valid strategy since AE really has no rules, but it is frowned upon and you will lose our respect for doing it.

Who gives a crap about others' respect? This is the most respectless, nasty, competitive 'game' out there. It seems the game owners don't give a sh"t about anything they have posted as rules, and no one here seems to respect anyone. Get over that as a motivator. I just come to escape reality and do my own thing. My ultimate rank is so unimportant to me, I couldn't care less what a bunch of bigoted a**holes (as many here are) thinks...



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Who gives a crap about others' respect? This is the most respectless, nasty, competitive 'game' out there. It seems the game owners don't give a sh"t about anything they have posted as rules, and no one here seems to respect anyone. Get over that as a motivator. I just come to escape reality and do my own thing. My ultimate rank is so unimportant to me, I couldn't care less what a bunch of bigoted a**holes (as many here are) thinks...

 

Well, in real life, the competition are as ruthless anyway. You see many airlines flooding routes with lower ticket prices to kill off the competition. There are no respect in real life. Why should there be one in a competitive game?



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Here i am, thanks to you I'm a multimillionaire. My company is probably not optimized, but there is not much competition on this server to refine the details. I've got the marketing and salaries up to a good level.

95 destinations, 53 aircraft (A319s for the large majority, A330s for the more distant places, ATR72s for the minor airports, and still my 737s not to be renewed). All this producing a profit of 180 million per month.

What's next?

I ask myself about the hubs. I admit that I still don't understand everything. Above all, I can't understand why they are limited to the country of the HQ, which, outside the big countries, is still very limited.

I am based in Edinburgh, my only other viable choice would be London? And in the same idea, why an Italian company based in Rome could build one in Barcelona? Because of its alliance?



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Here i am, thanks to you I'm a multimillionaire. My company is probably not optimized, but there is not much competition on this server to refine the details. I've got the marketing and salaries up to a good level.

95 destinations, 53 aircraft (A319s for the large majority, A330s for the more distant places, ATR72s for the minor airports, and still my 737s not to be renewed). All this producing a profit of 180 million per month.

What's next?

I ask myself about the hubs. I admit that I still don't understand everything. Above all, I can't understand why they are limited to the country of the HQ, which, outside the big countries, is still very limited.

I am based in Edinburgh, my only other viable choice would be London? And in the same idea, why an Italian company based in Rome could build one in Barcelona? Because of its alliance?

 

In Europe, after the year 2000. They have open sky agreements. Which mean that airlines based in Schengen Area could open up hubs and operate freely within Schengen Area.

 

If your airlines based in Edinburg, you could operate flights between Warsaw and Madrid because both cities are located in Schengen Area. 

 

You CANNOT open up routes between a city in Schengen Area and another city which are not part of Schengen Area. So Flights from Warsaw to Moscow or Rome to Dubai are not allowed since both Moscow and Dubai are not part of Schengen Area.

 

You could also open hub hub in Schengen Area. This happens in real life with many LCCs like Easyjet or Ryanair. Hence you see them opening up base in Brussels or Bordeaux even though Ryanair is an Irish airlines.



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Most spamliners have moved away from the $1 pricing, I'm not sure the formula they are using now



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Most spamliners have moved away from the $1 pricing, I'm not sure the formula they are using now

 

the $1 pricing would only work at the start of the game, after we got enough connecting passengers, we just reset the price back to normal for higher profits. 



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Here i am, thanks to you I'm a multimillionaire. My company is probably not optimized, but there is not much competition on this server to refine the details. I've got the marketing and salaries up to a good level.

95 destinations, 53 aircraft (A319s for the large majority, A330s for the more distant places, ATR72s for the minor airports, and still my 737s not to be renewed). All this producing a profit of 180 million per month.

What's next?

I ask myself about the hubs. I admit that I still don't understand everything. Above all, I can't understand why they are limited to the country of the HQ, which, outside the big countries, is still very limited.

I am based in Edinburgh, my only other viable choice would be London? And in the same idea, why an Italian company based in Rome could build one in Barcelona? Because of its alliance?

Find the largest hub you can operate from and find all of the routes without competition. Dominate those. Compete for the largest routes if you want to, but those tend to be high maintenance over time and you will need to revisit them a lot.

Develop your international long haul network. 747's at ~6000-8000 miles earn crazy amounts of money for minimal effort.

Develop your domestic network, starting at large airports. You can compete now.

Explore the 757 family and the A300 family. You will miss them once they're gone.


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Thank you again.

I am on my fourth hub. Almost 250 planes for a little less than a destination and a billion in profits per month. Nothing stops me anymore.

With only 20 companies, 5 of which are active, it's immediately easier.

As far as long-haul routes are concerned, it's not really profitable for me. I can only make them take off from Edinburgh... And I don't know why but nobody wants to go to Edinburgh (surely an error ) . It's less attractive than Paris or London.

I still have to find out more about the reputation, the IFE and the alliances. I really want to play for real.

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Thank you again.

I am on my fourth hub. Almost 250 planes for a little less than a destination and a billion in profits per month. Nothing stops me anymore.

With only 20 companies, 5 of which are active, it's immediately easier.

As far as long-haul routes are concerned, it's not really profitable for me. I can only make them take off from Edinburgh... And I don't know why but nobody wants to go to Edinburgh (surely an error ) . It's less attractive than Paris or London.

I still have to find out more about the reputation, the IFE and the alliances. I really want to play for real.

Reputation is decided mainly by route frequency. IFE and IFS also can help, but they take a bit of micromanagement. Advertising is a free 14-16% on reputation and kind of feels like cheating tbh.

Edinburgh is 757 heaven, give them a try. They've got good range but small enough to serve smaller airports.

Wikipedia can help you find some large airports that people usually don't think of. My airline operates from the US when I play and the number of airports with good demand but is never used by players is surprising.


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