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[edward99]

court line used this plane at London Luton but on the game this plane wont meet runway requirements so is the  L-1011-1 runway requirement wrong

[Stevphfeniey]

If it's wrong then what's the correct value?

[ЗЫРХ]

I believe it is around 3,300 meters, which is much longer than luton's longest runway

[westonallen0990]

If it's wrong then what's the correct value?

8400 feet as per this airliners.net thread (bottom reply).  

[Stevphfeniey]

One also needs to keep in mind that takeoff distances in AE are calculated assuming you've got a full load of passengers, cargo and fuel. I'm assuming Court Line typically didn't take their Tristars much further than Spain and without a cargo load, then it can probably take off in the 7500 foot or so runway at Luton.

[N664US]

8400 feet as per this airliners.net thread (bottom reply).  

 

That is, however, not how planes work in real life. One of the main issues I've seen with take-off performance is that it doesn't vary like payload does because of range. Rather, it's a fixed value where being over a specific number means you can fly, and being below it means you cannot, even if there are many examples that contradict it.

 

London Luton is a good example of this, with a 7100-foot runway. Courtline, ATA, ECU Air / Air Ops Europe and others have all flown the L-1011 into Luton at some time. This, however, is possible because the 8400-foot statistic refers to at MTOW, which assumes that the aircraft is completely full of fuel, passengers, and cargo. This, however, is untrue mostly because aircraft flying out of Luton most likely didn't use a full load of fuel (and hence were under MTOW, using less runway). 

 

The same can be seen at many airports globally, where airports fall short of the 8400-foot line but still had L-1011 service. New York-Laguardia (7000 ft), Maui (7000 ft), Chicago-Midway (6500 ft) and others had some form of L1011 service, although all came with restrictions (LGA had regular service possible because most routes were limited in range, DL flew LAX-OGG as OGG-HNL-LAX on the return to deal with runway length, and MDW could only have occasional L1011 flights from ATA during rare circumstances in which the aircraft didn't fly far). 

 

Allowing the L-1011-1 into LTN in-game would require a change in how runway length usage is calculated, with factors like weight-and-balance and winds and whatnot taking part in limiting your actual range or payload from airports. 

[N664US]

It just needs a simple range/payload demand curve. Code exists in other sims...

 

I think that the main issue with a "simple" fix like that is best described by your response in http://www.airline-e...de-share/page-2. 

 

 

 

Sorry I can't, I have bills, jobs, startup projects,  a life and adult things to do. 

 

It's going to be a long while before many things are even added to AE 3/4/whatever considering we all (including Yuxi) have things to do and lives to live. 

[colombian_aviator]

You can check them in the "Aircraft Details" bar on your left I believe.

[Jonjo757]

I had a similar query regarding real life vs Airline Empires, as one of my airlines operates from Wellington Int Airport's (WLG) 6648ft runway.

 

Qantas historically operated 747SP flights and Singapore Airlines currently operates 777-200's on short flights (WLG-CBR, WLG-MEL) with reduced fuel across the Tasman Sea to Australia, but on Airline Empires neither aircraft can use this airport while the short haul/high capacity 747-400D can!

 

PS my first order of 787-8's had the GEnx-1B engines and I found out after they were delivered that they cannot operate from WLG but the RR Trent 1000 787-8's can!

[KJS607]

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