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[bAnderson]

Thoughts, speculations, answers, anyone?

[zortan]

This is really sad, and insane.

[LATAM]

agreed, apparently, ISIS is now claiming responsibility for it and that the shooter switched to Islam months ago.

[LATAM]

This does bring up the bigger question of general weapons control/ban within the Unitest States though. 

[zortan]

This does bring up the bigger question of general weapons control/ban within the Unitest States though. 

True.

[hayhaa]

guns are fun please don't ban them

[zortan]

guns are fun please don't ban them

No they aren't. While many may disagree, I'm scared to death by guns.

[A220]

The whole arguement of ''we use them for protection'' is bs. You wouldn't need protection if you had any sort of gun laws. It's stupid and leads to several massacres in the US every year. I mean I don't live there but at least make it hard for the terrorists.

 

But if this is ISIS then it wasn't just one of the US's retards who played too much CoD while drunk (yes that has happened). Also if ISIS can get to the US now expect a massacre in Times Square with a van around Christmas. Fun times to be alive...

[compton]

Real gun laws need to be implemented ASAP. I was hoping we wouldn't have to wait until something like this happened, but here we are.

[zortan]

Real gun laws need to be implemented ASAP. I was hoping we wouldn't have to wait until something like this happened, but here we are.

Exactly.

[bAnderson]

Honestly this is too early to speculate that the guns involved were a problem. This was obviously a well-planned attack and no sane person would have carried it out. I mean, first off, an automatic weapon being used as a long range weapon is borderline ridiculous, and this guy had a lot of guns and a lot of ammo. There is really not much gun control can do for this. But I'd like an opinion on what it can do.

[Stevphfeniey]

We've been here before and nothing changed after the other million mass shootings. It's thoughts and prayers for the first 3 days, a lot of talk and outrage about making changes for another month tops, then we'll all forget this even happened until the next one happens in anywhere from 8 to 12 months.

Rinse cycle repeat

[namika]

We've been here before and nothing changed after the other million mass shootings. It's thoughts and prayers for the first 3 days, a lot of talk and outrage about making changes for another month tops, then we'll all forget this even happened until the next one happens in anywhere from 8 to 12 months.
Rinse cycle repeat

It's really sad to see all these people loose their lives because of stupid violent shooting, and no one sees this as a problem. Therefore nothing ever changes

[zipp]

http://www.betootaad...control-regime/

[HanTseng]

We've been here before and nothing changed after the other million mass shootings. It's thoughts and prayers for the first 3 days, a lot of talk and outrage about making changes for another month tops, then we'll all forget this even happened until the next one happens in anywhere from 8 to 12 months.

Rinse cycle repeat

 

Yes, everybody talks about changing gun laws right after something happens, but as always, nothing gets done, and something similar would happen again.

 

I'm personally afraid of guns, as a lot of countries have a lot stricter gun laws compared to the U.S., and a lot less shootings occur because of those laws.

[bAnderson]

Of course if there is no guns there can't be shootings. That's not the point. The point is to protect people. That man could have done anything, ran his car into the crowd, set off a bomb, taken a machete to them, put cyanide in the beer kegs.. If people want to harm people they'll find a way to do it. When the guy in Nice took a van to several people, did anyone cry in outrage for cars to be banned? When the building in Oklahoma was bombed, did anyone ask Congress to ban fertilizer or blasting caps? The Marseilles stabbing is unfolding now, but I can guarantee that steak knives are still gonna be around in France next year. And while I don't think there's been any cyanide beer attacks, watch what you're drinking, because it's possible. I'm not trying to give a lunatic message here, I am saying that the way we go about the protection of people is wrong. As a few of you have already mentioned, people are scared of guns. Guns are not and have never been the problem. It's the lunatics who use them to commit violent crime. There are probably a billion rounds fired a year in the US. Why should people suffer for other's mistakes?

[zortan]

It's really sad to see all these people loose their lives because of stupid violent shooting, and no one sees this as a problem. Therefore nothing ever changes

I agree with this one 100%.

 

Of course if there is no guns there can't be shootings. That's not the point. The point is to protect people. That man could have done anything, ran his car into the crowd, set off a bomb, taken a machete to them, put cyanide in the beer kegs.. If people want to harm people they'll find a way to do it. When the guy in Nice took a van to several people, did anyone cry in outrage for cars to be banned? When the building in Oklahoma was bombed, did anyone ask Congress to ban fertilizer or blasting caps? The Marseilles stabbing is unfolding now, but I can guarantee that steak knives are still gonna be around in France next year. And while I don't think there's been any cyanide beer attacks, watch what you're drinking, because it's possible. I'm not trying to give a lunatic message here, I am saying that the way we go about the protection of people is wrong. As a few of you have already mentioned, people are scared of guns. Guns are not and have never been the problem. It's the lunatics who use them to commit violent crime. There are probably a billion rounds fired a year in the US. Why should people suffer for other's mistakes?

Sorry, got to disagree with you on this. I've never owned a gun in my life (I think my dad has one in a storage locker somewhere but I've never seen it, and neither has my mom or brother), and I think that they're really dangerous and not a good idea to own. I'm not scared of guns because of ignorance, however, I just hate the possibility of what they can do. A gun can kill someone without even thinking twice, and there is no evidence left behind on the gun itself, as there would be on a knife or something. Plus - hunting is a big reason why people have guns, and I'm against that as well - Farming is a great way to get meat if you want it. Honestly, I'm really not for guns at all.

[bAnderson]

Sorry, got to disagree with you on this. I've never owned a gun in my life (I think my dad has one in a storage locker somewhere but I've never seen it, and neither has my mom or brother), and I think that they're really dangerous and not a good idea to own. I'm not scared of guns because of ignorance, however, I just hate the possibility of what they can do. A gun can kill someone without even thinking twice, and there is no evidence left behind on the gun itself, as there would be on a knife or something. Plus - hunting is a big reason why people have guns, and I'm against that as well - Farming is a great way to get meat if you want it. Honestly, I'm really not for guns at all.

There is lots of evidence that can be traced back to a gun. Each gun's rifling is unique, first of all, so the bullets that are fired are given marks that can identify which gun they were fired from, which can be more incriminating than a knife in some cases. While a masked man can take a knife and kill someone (without thinking twice), and while there is blood on the knife, if the man runs, who knows who he is? Meanwhile if the criminal overlooks the fact that his gun is registered, he can be identified almost immediately, especially if he leaves it there. I have never hunted myself, but I understand the reasoning behind it. Along with that, where do you think your hamburger comes from? The guy who kills those cows? He uses a pistol. He shoots over and over again all day. Just take a look at "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. 

My honest opinion is to ask a friend who has a pistol or a small caliber rifle (maybe a .22 or something similar) to let you use their gun under their supervision. Shoot at a can or a piece of wood. Obviously this is easier in a rural area, but if you are confined to an urban area go to a gun shop. Just shoot a few rounds, especially from the rifle. When you shoot at something like a can, you'll realize that guns aren't meant for killing people. Guns are meant for hitting a target. It's a sport. Who can hit the most cans? Who can hit from the furthest? Honestly, if you stop looking at guns as weapons for murder and look at them as sporting equipment, I think your opinion will change. I grew up thinking guns were bad because my social studies teachers said so. But when you use them for fun, you'll change your opinion.

 

(Pro tip, don't start with pistols/shotguns. My exchange student bloodied his eye with a 20-gauge shotgun because he let it kick up on him. And pistols have a lot of recoil too. Start small. )

[zortan]

There is lots of evidence that can be traced back to a gun. Each gun's rifling is unique, first of all, so the bullets that are fired are given marks that can identify which gun they were fired from, which can be more incriminating than a knife in some cases. While a masked man can take a knife and kill someone (without thinking twice), and while there is blood on the knife, if the man runs, who knows who he is? Meanwhile if the criminal overlooks the fact that his gun is registered, he can be identified almost immediately, especially if he leaves it there. I have never hunted myself, but I understand the reasoning behind it. Along with that, where do you think your hamburger comes from? The guy who kills those cows? He uses a pistol. He shoots over and over again all day. Just take a look at "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. 

My honest opinion is to ask a friend who has a pistol or a small caliber rifle (maybe a .22 or something similar) to let you use their gun under their supervision. Shoot at a can or a piece of wood. Obviously this is easier in a rural area, but if you are confined to an urban area go to a gun shop. Just shoot a few rounds, especially from the rifle. When you shoot at something like a can, you'll realize that guns aren't meant for killing people. Guns are meant for hitting a target. It's a sport. Who can hit the most cans? Who can hit from the furthest? Honestly, if you stop looking at guns as weapons for murder and look at them as sporting equipment, I think your opinion will change. I grew up thinking guns were bad because my social studies teachers said so. But when you use them for fun, you'll change your opinion.

 

(Pro tip, don't start with pistols/shotguns. My exchange student bloodied his eye with a 20-gauge shotgun because he let it kick up on him. And pistols have a lot of recoil too. Start small. )

Okay - fair enough. I guess you're right. Although, sometimes farmed animals are killed in different ways, some with machines and things nowadays, but I guess you're right. I might try a gun shop, as I'm smack dab in the middle of cities with both my houses, so rural is pretty much out of the question. However, a lot of gun shops in seattle have really terrible reputations with lead poisoning, etc. so I'm sort of skeptical. In Vancouver, I could look, but i don't know. Anyhow, I don't think that a 14-year-old is allowed to shoot a gun I think I have to be 18.

[A220]

Unfortunately nothing will happen and the US will return to its regular old self, aka breaking the deadliest mass shooting record every 15 minutes. Whatever. Who needs citizens amirite