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[atnt71eb]

I've won this game in past years using only green pax, before I discovered the blue pax strategy. There's an old post from me called "How to win at AE" or something like that, in which I explain how to win as best I knew then. 

 

Winning without superhubbing is extremely simple. Most people who play this game - most people - have limited geographical knowledge, limited imagination, and bad analytical skills. They tend to pile on the routes to/from cities they've heard of and ignore extremely large - though secondary - cities in foreign countries (i.e. most of the world unless you're a third-culture kid). 

 

What's more, the game vastly overstates secondary-secondary demand while vastly understating primary-primary demand. This is in some way because of the absence of real connecting flows. LHR-NYC, for example, sees ~10,000 seats daily in real life. It orders of magnitude larger than would be a route like LHR-IND. Yet in this game the differential is nowhere near as big. 

 

Yet despite all that, players still want to pile on LHR-NYC and ignore markets like IND-VCE, which are far bigger in this game than in real life. 

 

Players also ignore the price breaks at certain distances (99, 199, 299, 399, 1499, 2999, 5999, 8999mi). Anyone flying a 6,050mi route early in the game is a dullard, yet I see that all the time because at each end of the route are two cities the dullard has heard of. 

 

I could go on... Just know that I set the old pre-blue pax record in O1 years ago.

[atnt71eb]

I just check VCE-IND, btw. August demand is for 151 Y seats. 

 

You have to realize how insane that is. There is no way that 151 Hoosiers go to Venice every day, and there's no f*&cking way that 151 residents of a gorgeous and cultured city visit the red wastelands of Indiana daily. 

 

You have to play to the game.

[Airboss777]

Book Siberia, which part of Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!  didn't you understand?????

[Airboss777]

All Hail the emperor!

[Book Siberia]

Book Siberia, which part of Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!  didn't you understand?????

 

I'm sorry, Airboss, I thought there was an implied iiiiiiitttttttt!!!!!!!  a the the end of that Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh  <grin>

 

lol

[zortan]

I'm sorry, Airboss, I thought there was an implied iiiiiiitttttttt!!!!!!!  a the the end of that Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh  <grin>

 

lol

[Ryan_D96]

The route is only 184 miles. Considering there are IFS configs that generate over $500 per pax it is more than feasible he's making a profit. So long as he has a bum on every seat that's a guaranteed $300 per pax easily. So his profit won't be too shabby at all I would imagine.

[pseudoswede]

and there's no f*&cking way that 151 residents of a gorgeous and cultured city visit the red wastelands of Indiana daily. 

 

The shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's is so worth it, though.

[zortan]

The shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's is so worth it, though.

Hey - don't change the subject here.

[Book Siberia]

The route is only 184 miles. Considering there are IFS configs that generate over $500 per pax it is more than feasible he's making a profit. So long as he has a bum on every seat that's a guaranteed $300 per pax easily. So his profit won't be too shabby at all I would imagine.

 

 

Newsflash, Ryan!  There are IFS configs that generate over $700 per pax.   <Just sayin'>

[H2O]

He is using connecting passengers.

[atnt71eb]

I am not using connecting passengers on my $1 routes; neither am I making several hundred per passenger off of IFS. 

 

The profit off these routes barely covers - but does cover - the total cost of owning gates/planes, maintenance, and salaries. As BookSiberia hinted, there is a deeper game than short term profits at play. 

 

Even within that deeper game, there is still a more efficient way to use the aircraft currently flying these routes. 

 

The key to this game, however, is making the right tradeoffs between efficiency with time and efficiency with resources. 

[SirGresley]

I am not using connecting passengers on my $1 routes; neither am I making several hundred per passenger off of IFS. 

 

The profit off these routes barely covers - but does cover - the total cost of owning gates/planes, maintenance, and salaries. As BookSiberia hinted, there is a deeper game than short term profits at play. 

 

Even within that deeper game, there is still a more efficient way to use the aircraft currently flying these routes. 

 

The key to this game, however, is making the right tradeoffs between efficiency with time and efficiency with resources. 

I call BS. You're severely underscoring these costs, as 550 pax buying $1 tickets do not cover the maintenance costs on a 747. 

Therefore, scam IFE and/or IFS must be in play.

[atnt71eb]

Yeah obviously I get more revenue than $1/pax. 

[Ryan_D96]

Newsflash, Ryan!  There are IFS configs that generate over $700 per pax.   <Just sayin'>

I'm well aware of that... However, bog standard spam IFS will not generate that much. I was simply pointing out that even your most basic spamline would be able to make a decent profit with $1 fares on a route that short.

As for the 'newsflash', just you pipe down son, are you five? Who says that?

[H2O]

What pisses me off is when people fly routes from LHR to IST or something like that - LITERALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. Ant dude is right. I know someone who flies routes of the top of their head. Im pretty sure the pax are generated. Who in by the name of f**k would fly to antarctica every day?

[Stevphfeniey]

HA! You fools! Everybody knows AE is about having the coolest airline according to my arbitrary standards of excellence! Efficiency is for nerds.

[zortan]

HA! You fools! Everybody knows AE is about having the coolest airline according to my arbitrary standards of excellence! Efficiency is for nerds.

this thread is getting really weird...

[Lawesc 😲]

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[Lawesc 😲]

HA! You fools! Everybody knows AE is about having the coolest airline according to my arbitrary standards of excellence! Efficiency is for nerds.

yez. I agree.