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I'm quite new to the game (only started playing a couple of weeks ago) and I'm loving it, but I just can't figure out why on earth I'm loosing in this competition on the route AEP-LIM we agreed on prices so we have the exact same price range, but I have a higher route reputation and a much higher IFS reputation, but it seems that every single passenger is preferring his offer to mine (as you can see in the attached screenshots).

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Reputation doesn't have the slightest bit of influence when deciding which airline to fly with, unfortunately. Price is the only thing that counts (if there are any other minor variables guys, please correct me). The default price is the price at which all of the demand will fly at e.g. the 411 person demand for economy will all fly when the price is 440. If you lower the price more will fly and if you increase the price, less will fly, obviously. Between you and the other airline, you'll never fill 790 seats when the demand is 411 (assuming $440 is the default price you started with) so the passengers split between the two airlines.  Undercut all prices by around 10% and you'll fill your aircraft by taking passengers from the other airline



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I'm guessing it's because he's hauling more people then you.......



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Reputation doesn't have the slightest bit of influence when deciding which airline to fly with, unfortunately. Price is the only thing that counts (if there are any other minor variables guys, please correct me). The default price is the price at which all of the demand will fly at e.g. the 411 person demand for economy will all fly when the price is 440. If you lower the price more will fly and if you increase the price, less will fly, obviously. Between you and the other airline, you'll never fill 790 seats when the demand is 411 (assuming $440 is the default price you started with) so the passengers split between the two airlines.  Undercut all prices by around 10% and you'll fill your aircraft by taking passengers from the other airline

Thanks for the reply, I do understand that if I lower my prices I'll take some of his passengers, but I wasn't keen on lowering them since we have an agreement on the prices. I was hoping that at the same price point the pax would flock to the airline that offers better service (at least I as a pax would). I'll try to reach an agreement with the other player so we split the pax at 50%.



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Thanks for the reply, I do understand that if I lower my prices I'll take some of his passengers, but I wasn't keen on lowering them since we have an agreement on the prices. I was hoping that at the same price point the pax would flock to the airline that offers better service (at least I as a pax would). I'll try to reach an agreement with the other player so we split the pax at 50%.

Instead of trying to reach an agreement try to take as many of the passengers as you can. You'll get way more then 50% of the pax if you do that.



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I still say it's the amount of passengers flown. I mean he's in that picture showing he's already flying less people. so i'm

thinking that if you take away all that blue he has added.

 

it think it just shows how 1 weekly difference adds up.......



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The only thing I can think of is to add one more frequency so you both have 20, and see how that goes. I may be wrong but I think I remember that when there is competition and/or prices are not at default, frequency can affect the amount of passengers you get.



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Well, since you have an agreement on pricing, I'm assuming you can't undercut his.

 

Therefore:

 

- Go to a smaller aircraft, and increase the frequencies by as much as you can over his.

- His class distribution is better than yours. Change the seating configs to reflect a 1-6-7 split. Meaning if you have 1x F class, then have 6x that in C class, and then 7x the C class in Y class.

- Go to your airline options tab and make sure you have the best reputation possible at your time of development. If not, then adjust salaries, increase destinations, etc. Marketing is a losing proposition unless near world end date.

- Maintain the maximum pax classes at the high water mark of demand (fluctuates from world to world, but it's a sine wave which peaks twice a year). Save the route at that point.

 

With all prices being equal, passengers will go to your airline more than his.



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Well, since you have an agreement on pricing, I'm assuming you can't undercut his.

 

Therefore:

 

- Go to a smaller aircraft, and increase the frequencies by as much as you can over his.

- His class distribution is better than yours. Change the seating configs to reflect a 1-6-7 split. Meaning if you have 1x F class, then have 6x that in C class, and then 7x the C class in Y class.

- Go to your airline options tab and make sure you have the best reputation possible at your time of development. If not, then adjust salaries, increase destinations, etc. Marketing is a losing proposition unless near world end date.

- Maintain the maximum pax classes at the high water mark of demand (fluctuates from world to world, but it's a sine wave which peaks twice a year). Save the route at that point.

 

With all prices being equal, passengers will go to your airline more than his.



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Well, since you have an agreement on pricing, I'm assuming you can't undercut his.

 

Therefore:

 

- Go to a smaller aircraft, and increase the frequencies by as much as you can over his.

- His class distribution is better than yours. Change the seating configs to reflect a 1-6-7 split. Meaning if you have 1x F class, then have 6x that in C class, and then 7x the C class in Y class.

- Go to your airline options tab and make sure you have the best reputation possible at your time of development. If not, then adjust salaries, increase destinations, etc. Marketing is a losing proposition unless near world end date.

- Maintain the maximum pax classes at the high water mark of demand (fluctuates from world to world, but it's a sine wave which peaks twice a year). Save the route at that point.

 

With all prices being equal, passengers will go to your airline more than his.

Hi, thanks for the suggestions, I didn't carry them out so I don't know if they would work. But now I'm winning the route, I'm guessing it has to do with me increasing my overall reputation through increasing my network and also he added another 19 frequencies. The market distribution is pretty much the same as before, but now I'm filling all my planes on the route.



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were's the updated screenshot.   I just want to see how your reputation beat out his 19 extra flights....



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were's the updated screenshot.   I just want to see how your reputation beat out his 19 extra flights....

Me too



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Just giving the people what they want...

 

As you can see the I've lost a couple more points on the route and it has now become an all out price war between us (that's why the ridiculous price range).

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An update: He has draw back to 19 weekly flights and I now think we've reached Pareto's point of efficiency: https://en.wikipedia...reto_efficiency. I've sent him a message informing him of that (though I don't know if he'll get it) hoping to leave it as is and not go for a Nash's equilibrium...

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