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[Avelo]

With Airbus and Boeing dominating the widebody market, it's about time newer manufacturers start challenging their duopoly in that segment. China's COMAC is already planning to challenge them, but how about Canada's Bombardier and Brazil's Embraer? I think both have great potential to build bigger aircraft...

[DUMBΛSSΛΞRO]

They'll go down, unless they make huge investiments on new ways of construction and or propulsion I don't think other designs on the lines of a Dreamliner or A380 will gather much interest, the current models from Airbus and Boeing are already matured and tailored to customer's needs. It will have to be a game changer like what Boeing did when introduced the 707.

[Spyrosv]

Boeing and Airbus have changed their focus on widebody planes due to high demand and passengers love them. Bombardier and Embraer could try a widebody project but it needs huge investments,as Yarichin said, that neither of them can afford at the moment. If the CSeries for Bombardier and the E2 series for Embraer go well, they may have some potential for a widebody project. But it's still a big risk for these companies to compete on a market that Boeing and Airbus have created some very efficient and convenient for passengers planes to fly with.

[Anzatax]

I love your questions. I had wanted to ask them myself!

 

Here's my opinion: As we can see from the Bombardier CSeries 100 aircraft, Bombardier has created something better than the A320 and Boeing 787 (at least in terms of efficiency) that even the new A320NEO and the 737 New Generation aircraft cannot beat. For now, Boeing and Airbus are squashing CSeries orders by lowering the purchasing price of their A320 and 737, but as this move indicates, the Bombardier CS100 has become a serious and effective competitor. If Bombardier were to ever create a bigger, wide-body aircraft, with the technology nowadays, there are great chances of it becoming successful, and Bombardier might just become another great competing airliner manufacturer. However, if Boeing and Airbus were to learn from their own past competition and become wise, Bombardier would have a very hard time if it entered the wide-body market some time around now. I think they will stick to manufacturing and enlarging the CSeries for the time being.

 

Embraer? It is just a step behind Bombardier, and seems more invasive toward the market. Again, if Boeing and Airbus are wise to their past, Embraer may just have a hard time if it tries to enter the wide-body market.

 

The Chinese with their COMAC may or may not be successful. They are generally very ambitious, but as you can see from the C919, it has not succesfully penetrated the giant companies territory yet, unlike the Bombardier CSeries 100. The Chinese have money, manufacturing ability, and their own airlines on their side however. Still, I think the Chinese will not be producing quality aircraft for a long time. They are well-known for poor quality, but have a huge hold on the world's market as a whole.

 

These are just my opinions based on facts I have read. I may be outdated, so correct me if I'm wrong.

[Mr PAG]

Doubt it would succeed considering the duopoly between airbus and boeing us way too strong

[Baranowskki]

I love your questions. I had wanted to ask them myself!

 

Here's my opinion: As we can see from the Bombardier CSeries 100 aircraft, Bombardier has created something better than the A320 and Boeing 787 (at least in terms of efficiency) that even the new A320NEO and the 737 New Generation aircraft cannot beat. For now, Boeing and Airbus are squashing CSeries orders by lowering the purchasing price of their A320 and 737, but as this move indicates, the Bombardier CS100 has become a serious and effective competitor. If Bombardier were to ever create a bigger, wide-body aircraft, with the technology nowadays, there are great chances of it becoming successful, and Bombardier might just become another great competing airliner manufacturer. However, if Boeing and Airbus were to learn from their own past competition and become wise, Bombardier would have a very hard time if it entered the wide-body market some time around now. I think they will stick to manufacturing and enlarging the CSeries for the time being.

 

Embraer? It is just a step behind Bombardier, and seems more invasive toward the market. Again, if Boeing and Airbus are wise to their past, Embraer may just have a hard time if it tries to enter the wide-body market.

 

The Chinese with their COMAC may or may not be successful. They are generally very ambitious, but as you can see from the C919, it has not succesfully penetrated the giant companies territory yet, unlike the Bombardier CSeries 100. The Chinese have money, manufacturing ability, and their own airlines on their side however. Still, I think the Chinese will not be producing quality aircraft for a long time. They are well-known for poor quality, but have a huge hold on the world's market as a whole.

 

These are just my opinions based on facts I have read. I may be outdated, so correct me if I'm wrong.

 

 

You are right !

 

But China since 2013 , Have started to produce more high quality stuff: Mobiles , Pcs and Cars and i hope Comac does the same too.

[DUMBΛSSΛΞRO]

 

 

But China since 2013 , Have started to produce more high quality stuff

 

Don't you mean quality, shameless ripoffs? Oh silly me, not even the ripoffs are quality...

[Boeing Flight Simmer]

Embrear already is trying to compeate with the Boeing 737 with the C series jets but do not have a 3-3 Config. I dont think many major airlines have orderd them yet I think only Delta and Swiss

[Anzatax]

Embrear already is trying to compeate with the Boeing 737 with the C series jets but do not have a 3-3 Config. I dont think many major airlines have orderd them yet I think only Delta and Swiss

Do you mean the Bombardier CSeries 100?

[bAnderson]

Here's the problem. Bombardier almost went bankrupt during the development of the C Series. The government bailed out Bombardier in 2015, with a $1 Billion investment. The development of the C-series, which is coming to compete with the 737, which has been in service for almost 50 years. The research required to build it is not new, a way to improve it past the NG/MAX is. With the new developments (787, 777-X, A350, A330NEO), the widebody market is set to become one of the most efficient sectors in history. If Bombardier wants to set itself apart with a widebody, efficiency is not the only thing they need to look at. If Bombardier wanted to make a shot in the dark, they'd try a supersonic jetliner that will be way more efficient than the Concorde. But the lifespan of the Concorde has tainted the idea of supersonic travel in the minds of airlines, passengers, and aircraft manufacturers. Look at Aerospatiale, they went out of business as the Concorde started failing. Bombardier already got lucky, it won't happen twice.