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PEK-SEA. Charge $700. Max All economy. Scam IFS. Uses a 767-300ER and MD-11.

Did I do something wrong or is it just what it is?


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If you're in a real world scenario with no competition you should be able to charge much higher than 700. Try stretching your fares. Don't use scam IFS, it hurts your rep. If you don't have at least a moderately strong rep you won't be able to draw a decent fare. I'm on a real world scenario with competition using (L-1011-500) at 6 flights a week and drawing 500k per flight. My prices are much higher.

 

$5,000 F $2,450 C $1,275 Y

 

Also, if you're not tapping F, and C, only transporting Y, you're missing out on huge per-seat margins.



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MD-11 have extremely bad fuel consumptions. Change it to other plane. Maybe another B767-300ER.

 

Try operating business class too. It make quite some money.

 

Keep the scam IFE and IFS.



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Try stretching your fares. Don't use scam IFS, it hurts your rep. If you don't have at least a moderately strong rep you won't be able to draw a decent fare.

I don't believe reputation matters at all. 

 

Also, if you're not tapping F, and C, only transporting Y, you're missing out on huge per-seat margins.

All-economy airlines are the ones that top the ranks in a few worlds - proof that F and C are not key to success. If people know how to use all economy, they win.



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F and C are a success in Long Haul but Y wins the market most of the time. 


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I don't believe reputation matters at all. 

 

All-economy airlines are the ones that top the ranks in a few worlds - proof that F and C are not key to success. If people know how to use all economy, they win.

 

Topping the rankings is more about efficient use of a player's time than efficient use of resources. All Y makes life a lot easier, even though it's a bit less profitable than 3-class done right. In a straight fight between two carriers, if one runs 3-class and one runs single-class the former should win - but the biggest airlines don't get in those fights, they'll abandon the route in favour of one that doesn't need regular management.



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All Y makes life a lot easier, even though it's a bit less profitable than 3-class done right

 

Economy is always more profitable though, I find



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F and C are a success in Long Haul but Y wins the market most of the time. 

 

This is why I compete for all 3. I soundly disagree with Michael. I think the all Y strategy ignores opportunities and is likely to lead to predation.



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Economy is always more profitable though, I find

 

Then you're doing it wrong. 



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Then you're doing it wrong. 

All due respect: check my airlines before you post.



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Then you're doing it wrong. 

 

Michael please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the all Y strategy is better when competing for valuation because the price increase you can get away with when using a connecting passenger strategy is proportionally much higher in Y than in F and C



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All due respect: check my airlines before you post.

 

Sorry, maybe that was a bit blunt. But the point stands. Do some experiments with a variety of different configurations, IFE/IFS, and pricing strategies and you can make more money out of some of them than out of all-Y - and also less out of some 2-c or 3-c.



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Michael please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the all Y strategy is better when competing for valuation because the price increase you can get away with when using a connecting passenger strategy is proportionally much higher in Y than in F and C

 

It's irrelevant, The actual margins in f and c are much greater. Percentage price increase doesn't really matter. It's the actual price. A purist y strategy sacrifices profits and entire markets. It makes 0 sense when services are properly tuned. As for checking someone's airlines for their status? Also irrelevant. A whale among guppies is still eaten by shark.

 

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It's irrelevant, The actual margins in f and c are much greater. Percentage price increase doesn't really matter. It's the actual price.

Price increases seem pretty relevant when I can charge above the F default price for Y passengers and still maintain 100% loads



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Have you tried changing the f default prices? I've had a rout hit 9999 per F class passenger.



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Have you tried changing the f default prices? I've had a rout hit 9999 per F class passenger.

Nope, but that does sound pretty impressive...

 

I guess the only other factor could be if using scam IFE on shorter haul routes, more passengers overall (regardless of class) would mean a higher income trom that.

 

The main reason I use all economy is just that it's easier and takes up less of my time  :D



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I guess the only other factor could be if using scam IFE on shorter haul routes, more passengers overall (regardless of class) would mean a higher income trom that.

 

I keep meaning to do some experimenting and find out if F and C passengers will pay more for IFE/IFS. It's not making a huge difference either way, though.

 

 

Have you tried changing the f default prices? I've had a rout hit 9999 per F class passenger.

 

That should be pretty standard, long-haul. And unless you're filling C demand (which is unusual) you can double or treble those prices too.



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All due respect: check my airlines before you post.

Totally agree with Michael: all Y works better.

 

All Y generates more connection pax, which means it is easy to spamline, and spamline are the ones that win the game.

 

Actually I am tring to compete with Michael right now in R4, and I believe we have a very similar strategy.


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all Y works better.

I don't think anyone who knows the ins and outs of this game will disagree with this.

 

Actually I am tring to compete with Michael right now in R4, and I believe we have a very similar strategy.

I believe we do have a similar strategy. Keep trying ;)

 

 the point stands. Do some experiments with a variety of different configurations, IFE/IFS, and pricing strategies and you can make more money out of some of them than out of all-Y - and also less out of some 2-c or 3-c.

I get your point but it is incorrect. All-Y is ALWAYS better (provided one is smart about how they choose their routes and prices etc.

 

I believe the all Y strategy is better when competing for valuation because the price increase you can get away with when using a connecting passenger strategy is proportionally much higher in Y than in F and C

That's exactly it. Very impressed with your R6 airline. Don't know if it'll hold on to top spot but it's quite an achievement regardless.

 

Apologies for seemingly randomly reviving this. I've been absent and when I came back I felt I should close out my end of the conversation.

 

 

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I use this:

1F, 6C, #Y for planes < 350 pax

2F, 12C, #Y for planes > 350 pax

Brings in money and it makes F and C easy to maintain.

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