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[berubium]

Is it just me, or is a BAe 146 with payload just simply not able to fly that distance (VVI-MDE)?  How could this flight plan have been approved by somebody?

 

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[tom.]

Heard about this Some people weren't born to plan or even fly flights...

I feel sad for the people who lost their friend,brother,sister,son,daughter,father,mother or even cousin. My prayers are with them.

[Will101]

VVI-MDE is about 1600 NM (direct, data from GCMap), an unmodified RJ100 could just make that empty, however a modified RJ100 could make that flight with a ~20,000lbs load. Since it was a charter flight for a football match it is likely most of the load was just pax rather than cargo so it could be presumed the load would be under the weight requirement.

Also I would quite easily say that no airline would knowingly route an aircraft on a flight that was out of its range, and nor would 2 pilots continue a flight if under-fueled.

[tom.]

Yeah, but its still cutting it close

And like so many a/c accidents the payload weight wasn't calculated properly...

[vsauce]

scuse me, but the plane crashed so close to the destination after circling multiple times - unlikely that it would be something payload related

[Zacca]

It's kind of hard believe today one of my favourite soccer teams, Chapecoense, was destroyed by this terrible and unexpected crash.

Chapecoense isn't my team but the way they reach the final of Sudamericana Cup was amazing; until 2009 they were playing the fourth division and in 4 years they joined the top division and became one of the most popular teams in Brazil. For the first time ever they would play a championship final.

 

The plane was a Avro RJ85 of bolivian LaMia Airlines (LMI 2933). The plane took off from Viru Viru International Airport (VVI), in Bolivia, and would land in José María Córdova International Airport (MDE), in Colombia. On board were 81 people: 72 passengers (Chapecoense players and staff and journalists) and 9 crew members.

 

The National Civil Aviation Agency of Brazil didn't allowed a non-stop flight from GRU to MDE, and the plane made a stop at VVI.

The causes are unclear so far, but the most possible is a lack of fuel.

 

Among the victims there some names that must be mentioned:

 

• Ananias Elói Castro Monteiro, famous in Brazil for score the first goal in Allianz Park (Palmeiras' new stadium) playing against Palmeiras; and for score the goal wich qualified Chapecoense for the final.
• Bruno Rangel Domingues, one of the top scorers of Brazilian League.
• Cléber Santana Loureiro, UEFA Europa League champion 2009-10 playing by Atlético Madrid.
• Marcos Danilo Padilha, one of the best goalkeppers in Brazil; he survived the crash but died at the hospital after a surgery.
• Dener Assunção Braz, one of the youngest victims; he survived the crash but died on the way to the hospital.
• Caio Júnior, Chapecoense's coach, former player and one of the top coaches in Brazil.
• Mário Sérgio Pontes de Paiva, journalist and former player, was champion of the Brazilian League (1979) and of the World Clubs Championship (1983).
• Victorino Chermont, one of the well-knowed sports reporter in Brazil.

 

The survivors are Alan Ruschel, Chapecoense player, had a fractured vertebrae; Hélio Hermito Zampier Neto, Chapecoense player, was one of the latest victim found alive; Jakson Follmann, Chapecoense player, had a leg amputated; Ximena Suarez, flight attendant; Rafael Henzel, journalist and Erwin Tumiri, flight technician

 

It's more sad know that in Brazil, even with the mourning for the crash, there are still political manifestations; manifestants who don't agree with constitutional amendment that limits government spending are throwing molotov cocktails against police and setting fire in cars, in the capital, Brasilia, while the congress votes anti-corruption laws.

 

Brazilian Football Confederation postponed the Brazil's Cup final (initially scheduled for tomorrow, November 30) and all the Brazilian League last round, for the next week; Brazilian president, Michel Temer declared 3 days of official mourning; Brazilians major teams and some Europeans teams will lend players to Chapecoense can get up again; Atlético Nacional, the other Sudamericana Cup finalist, declared that will give to Chapecoense the Sudamericana title as an honour to all victims; lots of honours to Chapecoense were made around the world.

 

Last week, Chapecoense played against San Lorenzo by the Sudamericana Cup semi-finals. The match ended 0-0, qualifying Chapecoense to the final. In the last minute, the brazilian goalkeeper Danilo catch an almost impossible kick, a miracle.

Maybe if San Lorenzo scored that goal, Chapecoense fans and the players would be sad. But they would be alive. But, how they would know? They made their jobs, they won, they worked hard for years just for it. But the destiny... well, the destiny is cruel.

[tom.]

scuse me, but the plane crashed so close to the destination after circling multiple times - unlikely that it would be something payload related

Fuel could have run out before calculated since a lighter payload was entered...

[tom.]

Or it was an inside job

[Will101]

For the sake of honouring those lost, I'd suggest stopping speculating and let the investigators find the cause of the accident.

[Zacca]

For the sake of honouring those lost, I'd suggest stopping speculating and let the investigators find the cause of the accident.

[Denver.]

Maybe we should just express condolences instead

[berubium]

scuse me, but the plane crashed so close to the destination after circling multiple times - unlikely that it would be something payload related

 When I posted the article this morning (and read another article about the crash), there was no mention at the time of having circled multiple times.

 

The article I shared has been heavily edited from its original state this morning.  They now report electrical issues.

 

Either way, it's unfortunate.  It just seems like a very long flight for a BAe 146.

[zipp]

[tom.]

For the sake of honouring those lost, I'd suggest stopping speculating and let the investigators find the cause of the accident.

My friend is an ACI ( air crash investigator)

And I did.

[Stevphfeniey]

My friend is a biologist who specializes in raptors and other birds of prey. Doesn't make me qualified to speak intelligently and in detail on the subject.

[tom.]

My friend is a biologist who specializes in raptors and other birds of prey. Doesn't make me qualified to speak intelligently and in detail on the subject.

Well is your friend personally updating you with updates about how the investigation is coming out???

I'm also taking a course in ACI, so would you like to say anything else???

[bAnderson]

People are so stupid... 70 fatalities because of poor flight planning!?

[berubium]

For the sake of honouring those lost, I'd suggest stopping speculating and let the investigators find the cause of the accident.

 

Call me crazy, but I don't feel that trying to figure out how it happened is a dishonour to the people that tragically lost their lives.  I feel bad for what happened & for the families, friends, & fans of these people.  That being said, wanting to understand how & why something bad happened doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with emotions.

[tom.]

https://en.m.wikiped..._by_pilot_error

All Pilot Error Crashes (well almost all) ever recorded.

[tom.]

Call me crazy, but I don't feel that trying to figure out how it happened is a dishonour to the people that tragically lost their lives. I feel bad for what happened & for the families, friends, & fans of these people. That being said, wanting to understand how & why something bad happened doesn't have to be mutually exclusive with emotions.

And I'm stating the truth not speculating, I'm saying what is actually being said not just making it up.