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We should be able to adjust the util limit, with the maximum setting being around 18 and the lowest at 7 (many Finnish carriers operate sub 7 hour utilization).



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We should be able to adjust the util limit, with the maximum setting being around 18 and the lowest at 7 (many Finnish carriers operate sub 7 hour utilization).

You can already do that.
Also, I'm finding it hard to see many 25 minute turnarounds.
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIDAS
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIDAK
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIFIK

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You can already do that.
Also, I'm finding it hard to see many 25 minute turnarounds.
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIDAS
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIDAK
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIFIK

Does the interval between the flight include the taxi and take-off, or they just counted the time the plane is off the ground? Because I believe they only counted the time the plane take-off and the timer stop when the plane land on the runway.



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You can already do that.
Also, I'm finding it hard to see many 25 minute turnarounds.
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIDAS
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIDAK
http://uk.flightawar...ve/flight/EIFIK

I mean set it hard ourselves so we don't accidentally go over



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I mean set it hard ourselves so we don't accidentally go over

I can honestly say I've never gone way over the limit. It's easy enough to do the maths.

Does the interval between the flight include the taxi and take-off, or they just counted the time the plane is off the ground? Because I believe they only counted the time the plane take-off and the timer stop when the plane land on the runway.

I've factored that in. 80 minutes spent on the ground in Ciampigno, very little of which is spent taxiing. Ryanair is riddled with delays in turnaround made up in a padded schedule.

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Overall, with delays and other factors factored in, it turns out that the turn times in AE seem to be about average (if not too short) compared to real life airlines. And while I understand why some people want it implemented it still seems that this will mainly benefit spamlines. (But on the other hand it would also make your utilization rate drop) It would be a nice feature that could be made even better by the introduction of various turn time at different airports. (It ould also be interesting to see the implementation of the impact of employee morale on the turn tumes. Low morale -> longer turn time)

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Overall, with delays and other factors factored in, it turns out that the turn times in AE seem to be about average (if not too short) compared to real life airlines. 

 

What are you talking about? pretty much every airline in AE uses the maximum of 20 hour daily utilization, whereas airlines in the US are utilizing their planes nearly half that. A study by MIT shows the average daily utilization of narrowbody aircraft is 10.25 hours, with jetBlue having by far the most utilization at 14.25 hours a day. no other airline utilized its planes more than 12 hours a day.1

 

Widebody aircraft were utilized even less on average, with Delta Air Lines using its aircraft the most at 12.67 hours a day. The industry average was 12.04 hours.2

 

1: http://web.mit.edu/a...wbody Fleet.htm

 

2: http://web.mit.edu/a...ebody Fleet.htm


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I can honestly say I've never gone way over the limit. It's easy enough to do the maths.
I've factored that in. 80 minutes spent on the ground in Ciampigno, very little of which is spent taxiing. Ryanair is riddled with delays in turnaround made up in a padded schedule.

What about people like me who aren't disciplined enough to stop themselves going over their limit (sub 15 hours is my limit atm)



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I would like to push this, though realistic aircraft and airport limits would need to be thought about, likely on number of passengers and staff morale, which is essentially what directs it in today's world. Factoring in occasional unscheduled maintenance events during turnarounds could also be interesting.


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In real life, Easyjet and Ryanair operate turnaround times of 7 and 25 minutes respectively, whereas in AE, users of those aircraft are restricted to 60-70 minute turnarounds. Hence why I suggest adjustable turnarounds with various different knock-on effects depending on how long your turnaround is.

lol, 7 minutes? That's when dropping 1 passenger without a checked bag and taking 10 or what? Be realistic, just because a company said they have something on some flight doesn't mean it's system-wide.

 

25 minutes is what EZY and RYR do on average by most accounts, but planes those two use have 30-35 min in AE so I don't see a big problem, wtf are you talking about with 60-70 minutes? They don't use wide-bodies to take that long, and they don't use Cessna either to have it under 10 min.

Maybe the system should re-adjust by a few minutes for 1-class cabin or something, but not by much and I don't see this should be an urgent matter and that there's a big problem and discrepancy with reality, what you're saying with 7 vs 70 minutes is just funny.



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As part of the annual data vertification process, the turnaround times for the 737 family will be reviewed according to available airport data, airline data and official Boeing data.

 

if the times of the 737 series seems to be out of realistic order then i will consider reviewing it for all aircrafts in AE, however this will not happend untill atleast June or july.

 

however adjustable turnaround times is not viewed as an essential servie and there is no plans to include such a feature at this time.


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lol, 7 minutes? That's when dropping 1 passenger without a checked bag and taking 10 or what? Be realistic, just because a company said they have something on some flight doesn't mean it's system-wide.
 
25 minutes is what EZY and RYR do on average by most accounts, but planes those two use have 30-35 min in AE so I don't see a big problem, wtf are you talking about with 60-70 minutes? They don't use wide-bodies to take that long, and they don't use Cessna either to have it under 10 min.
Maybe the system should re-adjust by a few minutes for 1-class cabin or something, but not by much and I don't see this should be an urgent matter and that there's a big problem and discrepancy with reality, what you're saying with 7 vs 70 minutes is just funny.

lol, 7 minutes? That's when dropping 1 passenger without a checked bag and taking 10 or what? Be realistic, just because a company said they have something on some flight doesn't mean it's system-wide.
 
25 minutes is what EZY and RYR do on average by most accounts, but planes those two use have 30-35 min in AE so I don't see a big problem, wtf are you talking about with 60-70 minutes? They don't use wide-bodies to take that long, and they don't use Cessna either to have it under 10 min.
Maybe the system should re-adjust by a few minutes for 1-class cabin or something, but not by much and I don't see this should be an urgent matter and that there's a big problem and discrepancy with reality, what you're saying with 7 vs 70 minutes is just funny.


Turnover is counted twice on each flight

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Turnover is counted twice on each flight

well, if dropping off and picking up passengers is counted as turnaround time, it's not overcounted.

e.g. HKG-PEK-HKG-MEL-HKG; passengers are picked up and dropped off at PEK, HKG and MEL, and they are only dropped off and only picked up at HKG once each as well, so that would combine to be 3x turnaround times for each pick up + drop off at PEK, HKG and MEL, and 1x turnaround time for the sum of the single pick up and single drop off (both at HKG).



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At least then show time in the air rather than block. Block time is frankly useless.

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Jet Blue has daily flying time of 14 hrs. Their own source




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