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[vsauce]

"ONE of the two engines on TransAsia Airways Flight 235 went idle 37 seconds after takeoff, and the pilots apparently shut off the other before making a futile attempt to restart it" sounds like BMI flight 92 all over again

[Speed Bird]

"ONE of the two engines on TransAsia Airways Flight 235 went idle 37 seconds after takeoff, and the pilots apparently shut off the other before making a futile attempt to restart it" 

 

Certainly worrying if that is the case. Poor training or lack of practice springs to mind.

[Tesla]

Completely not British Midland flight 92.  

[Magnusson]

If they had shut down a fully functioning engine it kinda resembles the bmi 92

[TNT88]

If they had shut down a fully functioning engine it kinda resembles the bmi 92

Not really, because BMI pilot is not familiar with B737-400 while Transasia pilot knows ATR 72-600 quite well (We're not sure if they familiar with the plane but there is no report stating that the crew have problems with the training or lack of experience with the aircraft type).

[Magnusson]

Yeah, but I'm not saying that the similarity is in why did the pilots make a bad descision (not yet sure thou). I said that the cause why the aircraft might have crashed (a functioning engine was turned off) was probably similar.

[TNT88]

I don't know for sure, but we need to wait until they released more info. BMI crash is a bit more complex though.

[Speed Bird]

Either way, there will be serious questions asked about crew training and the procedures in place at Trans Asia. 

 

The procedure for engine failure or severe malfunction is fairly standard across the industry for multi-crew aeroplanes. Generally speaking it'll involve dealing with the immediate effects of the problem (stop the yaw, maintain/recover airspeed, etc), identification of the problem and the particular engine in question, followed by some form or memory items in which both crew members will confirm what is being done (in the case of the ATR, I'd imagine this would be a case of closing the thrust lever, feathering the prop and shutting off the fuel). 

 

It'd be interesting to find out at which stage the procedure broke down and where the error occurred. 

[TNT88]

Either way, there will be serious questions asked about crew training and the procedures in place at Trans Asia. 

 

The procedure for engine failure or severe malfunction is fairly standard across the industry for multi-crew aeroplanes. Generally speaking it'll involve dealing with the immediate effects of the problem (stop the yaw, maintain/recover airspeed, etc), identification of the problem and the particular engine in question, followed by some form or memory items in which both crew members will confirm what is being done (in the case of the ATR, I'd imagine this would be a case of closing the thrust lever, feathering the prop and shutting off the fuel). 

 

It'd be interesting to find out at which stage the procedure broke down and where the error occurred. 

Are they try to cover up the lack of training by sending all their pilots to training for few days recently?