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This is gonna give Malaysia Airlines a really bad reputation, with 2 crashes in one year :/

Though MAS will have some problems, they'll survive. Think of AA in 2001. They had complete losses on AA 77, 11, and 587 all in a couple months. Though 2/3 of these were uncontrollable by AA, it is a very similar situation to the one MAS is currently facing. However, AA is still around. :whistle: 


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TWA. 800 wasn't shot down. It was a short circuit in the fuel tank

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That's horrible what happened, 295 people died in name of Russian terror and propaganda. People don't understand that Russia only creates problems and tries to solve problems with tanks, this country needs a shake-up.

Plane was shot down by Pro-Russian separatists or by Russian Main Intelligence Directorate (Ukraine found their conversation about mistake in shooting down a plane). 



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So sad with that :( Let's pray again for MH, MH17


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TWA 800 July 17 1996 .... Probable Cause: Missile

MH 17 July 17 2014 .... Probable Cause: Missile/BUK Rocket

 

 

Coincidence ... I think Not

 

TWA800 was caused by a fuel tank explosion, not a Missile.


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TWA800 was caused by a fuel tank explosion, not a Missile.


I respect your opinion. I just personally think it was shot down because:

A) 2+ seconds of audio were erased, completely erased, from the black box of 800. The 2+ seconds before the "Explosion".
B ) Parts of the reassembled 800 were actually not the actual parts from 800
C) Eastwind pilot said he never saw the aircraft go up after explosion but rather a significant drop... including the wings drop separately.
D) the french agent who claimed it was a missile attack "suddenly" shut up when US Agents visited him in 98, and when he refused to shut up.. Well he suddenly died of a heart attack.
E) many pilots report dodging missile like "objects" in the sky. Many pilots.
F) The barge whom was 10 miles from TWA 800 crash site.. Darted off at top speeds to the south around TWA 800 disaster after it did in fact know of the events,, which breaks every rule in the book.... the NAVY barge should have immediately been sent to the crash site, if it was innocent.
G) TWA received 200 million in economic support from the Government in 1997 including new MD80 planes where no one could understand who payed for them.
H) The TWA CEO .. I believe Erikson... Was in St Louis at the time of 800 outraged but the NEXT DAY... He was back on a flight FROM CDG arriving in St. Louis... meaning within minutes/hours he was escorted to Paris , to possibly get hindsight of the cover up.
I) the circuit issue was proven false by 5+ investigators .. Saying there was no possible way.
J) TWA employees received NEW uniforms and AIC Counters ... From what money? "A donation from a private government"
K) Employees (incl. my mom) PAYED to not speak of missile events of 800.. By FBI agents. Basically to not let the word spread of what some knew.. And to this day my mom tells me "no matter what they say, 800 was a cover up... It will all be released one day, by the ones who can, when the ones who can't are gone"
L) there was a missile missing from the barge.. And suddenly the USAF covered it up by saying there was one less missile boarded with the barge.
M) 90% of mainline pilots believed it was shot down.. A complete opposite to the general unaware public



These 12 reasons are why i think TWA was shot down.

So just have a tad of respect for my reasons :P

 

But anyway, RIP all of the 295+ victims of MH 17 and the 230 victims of TW 800. What a tragic day in history.... 



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I respect your opinion. I just personally think it was shot down because:

A) 2+ seconds of audio were erased from the black box of 800
B) Parts of the reesembled 800 were actually not the actual parts from 800
C) eastwond pilot said he never saw the aircraft go up after explosion but rather a significant drop.
D) the french agent who claimed it was a missile attack "suddenly" shut up when US Agents visited him in 98, and when he refused to shut up.. Well he suddenly died of a heart attack.
E) many pilots report dodging missile like "objects" in the sky. Many pilots.
F) The barge whom was 10 miles from TWA 800 crash site.. Darted off at top speeds to the south...
G) TWA recieved 200 million in economic support from the Government in 1997 including new MD80 planes where noone could understand who payed for them.
H) TWA CEO .. I believe Erikson... Was in St Louis at the time of 800 outaged but the NEXT DAY... He was back on a flight FROM paris arriving in st louis meaning within minutes/hours he was escorted to Paris , to possibly get hinesight of the cover up.
I) the circuit issue was proven false by 5+ investagators .. Saying there was no possible way.
J) TWA enployees recieved NEW uniforms and AIC Counters ... From what money? "A donation from a private government"
K) Employees (incl my mom) PAYED to not speak of missile events of 800.. By FBI agents. Basiclaly to not let the word spread of what some knew.. An to this day my mom tells me "no matter what they sy, 800 was a cover up... It will all be released one day, by the ones who can"
L) there was a missile missing from the barge.. And suddenly the USAF covered ir up by saying there was one less missile boarded with the barge.
M) 90% of pilots believed it was shot down.. A complete opposite to the general unaware public


These 12 reasons are why i think TWA was shot down.

Of course you stupid little nutjob you!

6 reasons why TWA 800 was blown up by the CWT explosion.

1: Because the NTSB Said so

2: Because the FBI said so

3. Yeah, there was explosion residue on the seats, but the plane was used in a defence charter, people in defence come in contact with explosives.

4: I doubt your mum even worked for TWA

5: Said missile like objects was actually debris from the plane, which exploded due to a CWT explosion.

6: N93119 was an aging 747, being in service since 1971.

 

Also TWA, please don't derail this thread into one of your TWA rants, like you do all the time, if you want to make lies about TW800 or how your mum "worked" for them, please, by all means make another thread

 

Anyway, I think that the MH17 incident is going to evolve into something much bigger.


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Of course you stupid little nutjob you!

6 reasons why TWA 800 was blown up by the CWT explosion.

1: Because the NTSB Said so

2: Because the FBI said so

3. Yeah, there was explosion residue on the seats, but the plane was used in a defence charter, people in defence come in contact with explosives.

4: I doubt your mum even worked for TWA

5: Said missile like objects was actually debris from the plane, which exploded due to a CWT explosion.

6: N93119 was an aging 747, being in service since 1971.

 

Also TWA, please don't derail this thread into one of your TWA rants, like you do all the time, if you want to make lies about TW800 or how your mum "worked" for them, please, by all means make another thread

 

Anyway, I think that the MH17 incident is going to evolve into something much bigger.

 

 

1) NTSB and FBI are both governmental agencies XD

2) No need to doubt whether or not....  it happened.

3) Aircraft doesn't just blow up ...  



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On the off topic area of TWA 800:

Jet-A-1 is bloody hard to set on fire in the first place, but by keeping the a/c on the fuel tanks got heated enough to vapourise the fuel to the flashpoint. At the same time as this an open wire caused a spark and set the fuel alight, sending the aircraft into a huge fairball all the way down to earth. There was no missile involved in that case, just some unfortunate events. Whereas in the case of MH17 it appears to be the unfortunate events leading to a shooting down, though it could be a mechanical failure or something else that sent 9M-MRD into Ukraine. 



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On the off topic area of TWA 800:

Jet-A-1 is bloody hard to set on fire in the first place, but by keeping the a/c on the fuel tanks got heated enough to vapourise the fuel to the flashpoint. At the same time as this an open wire caused a spark and set the fuel alight, sending the aircraft into a huge fairball all the way down to earth. There was no missile involved in that case, just some unfortunate events. Whereas in the case of MH17 it appears to be the unfortunate events leading to a shooting down, though it could be a mechanical failure or something else that sent 9M-MRD into Ukraine. 

 

I honestly hope 800 was a mechanical error and pray it was... i just wanted to let you guys know why i feel a certain way :P ... 

 

But Will, do you believe that MH 17 was shot down? Because now I am hearing that Russia nd Ukraine are denying missile speculation... honestly confused.



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I believe it was shot down by Russian separatists. Ukraine said so, and why else would airspace be avoided now? It also explains missile launchers found nearby. Not to mention the freighter should down a few days ago...



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I believe it was shot down by Russian separatists. Ukraine said so, and why else would airspace be avoided now? It also explains missile launchers found nearby. Not to mention the freighter should down a few days ago...

 

Uhh Freighter shot down O_O 



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I think it's safe to say that as far as we currently know, all normal procedures were followed and nothing shockingly out of the ordinary has come out yet about this flight. There are very few details about what actually happened, and until more information is uncovered every conjecture stated here or anywhere else is pure speculation. This was an extremely unfortunate event, and the amount of speculation and hype surrounding this and every other plane crash in recent memory is simply disrespectful to those who's friends and family were involved in the accident.

 

Until more information comes out, none of the conjectures put forth here or anywhere else have any reasonable evidence backing them. I understand that people are shocked at the events that occurred, but speculating on the events without evidence is not helping anyone.


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I don't believe Ukraine have B772 sized planes in their air force. These Russian separatists just have hell on their minds.

 

Ummm... at 33,000 feet, the only way they would have really been able to see the aircraft is on radar. It's unlikely that the size of the aircraft would have even been a factor in their decision to shoot it down. Whether or not the radar showed any sort of aircraft identifier is another matter.



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Russia claims to have found the black box



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I was listening to that earlier, it's very bad.

 

Australia has now confirmed that 28 Australia's were killed when the airliner crashed.

http://www.theaustra...32615978b6392b8

 

A Dutch passenger posted a picture of the plane saying "This is what it looks like in case it goes down"

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According to Agence France Presse:

 

"Kiev (AFP) - Social media posts by pro-Russian insurgents -- most of them hastily removed -- suggest the rebels thought they had shot down a Ukrainian army plane before realising in horror that it was in fact a packed Malaysian airliner."

 

http://news.yahoo.co...-174750060.html



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But those are what Ukraine intercepted. Those were translated by Ukraine. Ukraine could be trying to cover it up.


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